backedgeapproaching Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 New area from last year that was 75% filled in last fall. No idea where the Sandy soil came from. Now it looks like Beirut. How much sun does that area get? Looks pretty shady. Can't tell exactly from the pic what you have there. Might be too much shade, tree roots competing for water or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's the south shore soil. It's horrible. Andrew, I tried this stuff called love your lawn by Johnathan green. It helped sustain micro organisms and keeps the soil softer for tough patches like what appears to be there. Try that. Loosen the soil up nicely and seed it now. Let it get some good roots before it gets bakes later in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's the south shore soil. It's horrible. Andrew, I tried this stuff called love your lawn by Johnathan green. It helped sustain micro organisms and keeps the soil softer for tough patches like what appears to be there. Try that. Loosen the soil up nicely and seed it now. Let it get some good roots before it gets bakes later in June. In place of Lesco? Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Especially if you have Kentucky bluegrass, it spreads via rhizomes and can fill in thin/bare areasYep...rye and tall fescue don't fill in at all. Man, isn't this his thread? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well, to qualify, they can "clump" in. But I would bet that Kevin has a KBG lawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 In place of Lesco? Ugh No, it's different then fertilizer. I used that before anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I've learned a lot on my journey to enlightenment...that you can't have a yard full of grass and a yard full of maples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No, it's different then fertilizer. I used that before anything.I have no idea what the specific product you are referring to is, but I've heard nothing but good things about JG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No, it's different then fertilizer. I used that before anything.Also, try dish detergent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Also, try dish detergent. Well I suppose it is like fertilizer. It's actually an organic product, but this property was in tough shape and just kind of had that tough and malnourished look. I used it in combo with the Lesco stuff and it looked incredible before the dam dry weather came in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpole Joe Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No, it's different then fertilizer. I used that before anything. I use the same thing to augment, it works well. Jonathan Greene has a great line of products, I switched over to them about 3 years ago and have been pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Well I suppose it is like fertilizer. It's actually an organic product, but this property was in tough shape and just kind of had that tough and malnourished look. I used it in combo with the Lesco stuff and it looked incredible before the dam dry weather came in the summer. From what you described, it sounded like a wetting agent to help fight soil compaction, which then allows the space between the soil for microorganisms to thrive. Dish detergent will theoretically do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 From what you described, it sounded like a wetting agent to help fight soil compaction, which then allows the space between the soil for microorganisms to thrive. Dish detergent will theoretically do the same thing. Yeah you may be right. I heard that too. It also has iron in it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 From what you described, it sounded like a wetting agent to help fight soil compaction, which then allows the space between the soil for microorganisms to thrive. Dish detergent will theoretically do the same thing.As will baby shampoo, in theory certain ingredients in it act as liquid aeration and allows for more water absorption into the soil. It can be sprayed through a hose end sprayer and it's cheap. But if he has really sandy soil that's probably not the best bet. Add as much organic matter as possible-compost, peat moss, grass clippings, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 My soil overall is decent here. There is a lot of ledge just underneath as the glaciers took a dump before their retreat back north, so my front burns easily unfortunately with all the granite just underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That soil was the scotts lawn soil added on top of Duxbury sandy soil. There is some white pines next to it which will get the saw soon. I'll try the Jonathan Green stuff. I do have to go to JD Landscapes today to pick up some product for moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That soil was the scotts lawn soil added on top of Duxbury sandy soil. There is some white pines next to it which will get the saw soon. I'll try the Jonathan Green stuff. I do have to go to JD Landscapes today to pick up some product for moss. Pines suck for grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Pines suck for grass. I'm slowly getting more confident at dropping big pines. I dumped 2 last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'm slowly getting more confident at dropping big pines. I dumped 2 last weekend. I love pines, but they can be a pain for the yard. Just lime the hell out of that area too....I also think Iron is good to prevent moss? I started raking the sh*t out of my yard yesterday to get some moss out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Tinges of green are appearing in the grass, but it's heavy, heavy brown still. One area of concern is the area that had been replanted after the pool excavation. It's about an 1/8 of an acre that had to be redone from scratch. It reached an 'okay' rating by me when all was said and done last year, but the proof will really be in if/how it bounces back this year. I'm thinking of just throwing some more seed down and let nature take it's course. Any thoughts on that approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I love the JG line of products. The Mag-I-Cal stuff is pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I love the JG line of products. The Mag-I-Cal stuff is pure gold. Yeah screw lime when you can use that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That soil was the scotts lawn soil added on top of Duxbury sandy soil. There is some white pines next to it which will get the saw soon. I'll try the Jonathan Green stuff. I do have to go to JD Landscapes today to pick up some product for moss. Moss indicates less than ideal grass growing conditions- Low PH, too much shade, poor drainage. You have to fix those issues or it will come back. A soil test would give you your PH number (it seems like maybe you SE Mass guys have low PH?) You can also limb up some pines or take a few out to get more sun in there. Having Sandy soil I doubt you have drainage issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I love the JG line of products. The Mag-I-Cal stuff is pure gold. Great product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Tinges of green are appearing in the grass, but it's heavy, heavy brown still. One area of concern is the area that had been replanted after the pool excavation. It's about an 1/8 of an acre that had to be redone from scratch. It reached an 'okay' rating by me when all was said and done last year, but the proof will really be in if/how it bounces back this year. I'm thinking of just throwing some more seed down and let nature take it's course. Any thoughts on that approach? You can throw some down and pray for rain I guess .Probably wont have the best results though honestly. You have to keep seed constantly moist when you put it down until you get some spouts, you cant let it dry out. You also need good seed to soil contact for germination. If you overseed into existing grass you need to make sure it gets down to the soil and is not just floating on top of the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Moss indicates less than ideal grass growing conditions- Low PH, too much shade, poor drainage. You have to fix those issues or it will come back. A soil test would give you your PH number (it seems like maybe you SE Mass guys have low PH?) You can also limb up some pines or take a few out to get more sun in there. Having Sandy soil I doubt you have drainage issues. No coincidence areas with pines have moss too. PH and moisture from the shade. My moss this year is much much less of a problem, compared to last year. I raked the hell out of the area with the moss and tried to keep the PH in check with lime in the fall before winter. I'm sure it helped. Best way to get moss out, is with one of those metal spring rakes. If it takes up the grass with it..oh well. Just reseed. Gotta get the moss out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Tinges of green are appearing in the grass, but it's heavy, heavy brown still. One area of concern is the area that had been replanted after the pool excavation. It's about an 1/8 of an acre that had to be redone from scratch. It reached an 'okay' rating by me when all was said and done last year, but the proof will really be in if/how it bounces back this year. I'm thinking of just throwing some more seed down and let nature take it's course. Any thoughts on that approach? Try detaching or raking and then fertilizing.Gotta let the lawn breathe..Possibly even aerate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Quick stop at the church of lesco. They don't carry a product for Moss. They said you need to address the problem. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Quick stop at the church of lesco. They don't carry a product for Moss. They said you need to address the problem. I know. Pretty sure Iron and calcium or lime helps. Don't hold me to the iron...but I thought I remember seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Pretty sure Iron and calcium or lime helps. Don't hold me to the iron...but I thought I remember seeing that. They do help, but like we said earlier and like they told him at JDL-- you have to address the issues of why you have moss. Or it will keep coming back like a nasty BDF in Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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