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2015 Short Term Severe Weather Discussion


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IND had a survey team out again yesterday looking for evidence of a third tornado somewhere around the LAF area. Nothing has been released yet.

I'l be interested to hear. I believe they are talking about the west side of West Laf, near the Menards. I drove out this way to go to the store this evening and saw numerous large trees and limbs down. I saw them down along Klondike north of 52 (or whatever Klondike turns into north of 52) starting at the Menards and going north about 3/4 mile. Several it looks like were across the road. I didn't see any damage to the homes although one house had a very close call with a very large evergreen. Hard to tell for sure - houses are a bit off the road and I was trying not to end up in the creek along it.

 

My front seat, 30 second observation noted that most of the trees seemed to be laying down in the same direction (aligned with storm direction) so not sure if tornado damage. The final report will say for sure.

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I'l be interested to hear. I believe they are talking about the west side of West Laf, near the Menards. I drove out this way to go to the store this evening and saw numerous large trees and limbs down. I saw them down along Klondike north of 52 (or whatever Klondike turns into north of 52) starting at the Menards and going north about 3/4 mile. Several it looks like were across the road. I didn't see any damage to the homes although one house had a very close call with a very large evergreen. Hard to tell for sure - houses are a bit off the road and I was trying not to end up in the creek along it.

 

My front seat, 30 second observation noted that most of the trees seemed to be laying down in the same direction (aligned with storm direction) so not sure if tornado damage. The final report will say for sure.

 

Someone from WTHR asked about Klondike/Taft roads along 52 on NWSChat. Forecaster said that was determined to be straight line winds. He also said that will be no more surveys for that county.

 

However, yesterday on Chat a met said that they would be investigating a possible third. I don't know if he was talking about the 52 damage or they were surveying in another county.

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Someone from WTHR asked about Klondike/Taft roads along 52 on NWSChat. Forecaster said that was determined to be straight line winds. He also said that will be no more surveys for that county.

 

However, yesterday on Chat a met said that they would be investigating a possible third. I don't know if he was talking about the 52 damage or they were surveying in another county.

AHah, interesting. Yeah, then the 3rd area must have been something else. Thanks for the info.

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The weekend has looked interesting for the last few days...at least more interesting than the last week or so...

IMBY focused...A few runs in a row of a decaying line impacting LOT Tuesday night or Wednesday morning at some point...the strength and timing have been in flux...but some sort of impact looks likely (albeit on the weaker side of the spectrum)

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Ya, looks like the IA storms will make the curve se as Cyclone referenced in the July discussion.  Could be an active evening in west central and central IL though.   NWS not expecting anything this far east IMBY tonight with the action scheduled for tomorrow.  But stranger things have happened.

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Ya, looks like the IA storms will make the curve se as Cyclone referenced in the July discussion.  Could be an active evening in west central and central IL though.   NWS not expecting anything this far east IMBY tonight with the action scheduled for tomorrow.  But stranger things have happened.

Looks like it's riding down the edge of the greatest instability... right along the heat advisories

 

My cousin in nw IN tells me that Skilling was already talking about it on WGN.

SPC briefly talked about it

 

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0337 AM CDT TUE JUL 28 2015

VALID 311200Z - 051200Z

...DISCUSSION...

AN AMPLIFIED LARGE-SCALE PATTERN WILL EXIST OVER THE CONUS THROUGH

EARLY NEXT WEEK...ALTHOUGH GUIDANCE VARIABILITY EXISTS REGARDING THE

EXACT DEGREE OF TROUGH AMPLIFICATION OVER NORTHERN ONTARIO/GREAT

LAKES LATE THIS WEEKEND/EARLY NEXT WEEK. REGARDLESS OF THIS

VARIABILITY...INCREASING LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE AND A SEMI-PERSISTENT

BELT OF MODERATELY STRONG WEST/NORTHWESTERLY UPPER-LEVEL WINDS OVER

THE UPPER MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES WILL LEAD TO DAILY STRONG/SEVERE

THUNDERSTORM RISKS. WHILE CONFIDENCE IS NOT HIGH IN DAILY

DETAILS...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE POSSIBLE ACROSS PARTS OF THE

UPPER MS RIVER VALLEY ON SATURDAY/DAY 5...AND ACROSS A BROADER PART

OF THE UPPER MS VALLEY/MIDDLE MO VALLEY TO MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES FOR

SUNDAY/MONDAY DAYS 6-7.

 

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NAM and GFS are picking up on an event for day 3 over the Great Lakes. NAM has 5000+ CAPE overlapped with 40-50 knots shear... GFS has 4000 CAPE with 30-40 knots shear. Both are favorable for some big time storms.

 

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Watch out though... SPC's day 2 outlook mentions the possibility of upscale growth into an MCS. It's MCS roulette season.

 

Edit: I just figured out NAM's 850mb-500mb lapse rates for south Wisconsin/north Illinois are 7.5 C/km. 

 

...damn saturated atmosphere  :rolleyes:

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Probably another late initiation around here tomorrow, close to 00z. Sfc to 6km shear at 40-50kts and 850 mb winds approach 50kts by 00z. Wouldn't be surprised if there a couple supercells at first before transitioning to a small MCS..

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Nice conditional threat for Sunday.  Guess we'll wait and see how the leftover convection from the night before behaves.  I would say if there is leftover convection from the night before, but we all know how most of the setups have gone this season.  There will surely be leftover storms/cloudiness to deal with.  

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Day 1 slight pushed farther north, also 5% tor for N IA/S MN.

 

GIVEN STRONGER HEIGHT FALLS EXPECTED THIS EVENING THROUGH TONIGHT...
FURTHER STRENGTHENING OF THE SWLY LLJ IS EXPECTED THROUGH TONIGHT
WITH THIS JET VEERING WITH TIME ACROSS THE UPPER MS VALLEY. UPSCALE
GROWTH INTO ONE OR MORE MCS/S IS POSSIBLE WITH ONE MCS DEVELOPING
S/SEWD THROUGH IA...WHILE ADDITIONAL STORMS AND EVENTUAL MCS
DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ACROSS SRN AND CENTRAL MN INTO WI. ALTHOUGH
DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL WOULD BE THE PRIMARY THREATS AFTER
DARK...VERTICALLY VEERING WINDS AND ENHANCED LOW-LEVEL SHEAR IN
VICINITY OF THE LLJ SUGGEST A TORNADO THREAT COULD PERSIST INTO THE
EARLY EVENING ACROSS NORTHERN IA AND THE SOUTHERN HALF OF MN.

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With the unpredictability of MCS's, I've filed that under "I'll believe it when I see it". That's the downside of MCS season.

And besides that, as things stand now, timing sucks for this immediate area.

Looks good for Northern IL and NW Indiana (as has been the case this entire Spring/Summer) though.

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Yeah ok

I'm calling a day 2 slight risk for the Great Lakes for now due to MCS uncertainty

Finally got it

 

...LOWER MI...SERN WI...NRN IL AND INDIANA...

EARLY DAY RAIN AND A FEW STORMS ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS PORTIONS OF WI

AND LOWER MI RELATED TO PREVIOUS NIGHTS STORMS AND ASSOCIATED

SHORTWAVE DISTURBANCE. THIS ACTIVITY MAY HAVE A STABILIZING EFFECT

FOR MUCH OF THE DAY FROM ERN WI INTO LOWER MI...BUT STRENGTHENING

SWLY LOW-LEVEL FLOW IN RESPONSE TO THE STRONGER TROUGH WILL HELP

SPREAD INSTABILITY NEWD BACK ACROSS THE AREA BY LATE AFTERNOON.

STRONG FORCING FOR ASCENT IS FORECAST ALONG THE COLD FRONT AND NEAR

THE DEVELOPING SFC LOW/TROUGH...WITH A CLEAR MODEL CONSENSUS

DEPICTING A ROBUST LINEAR MCS AFFECTING ERN WI AND MUCH OF CNTRL AND

WRN MI IN THE 00-06Z TIME FRAME...THEN SINKING SEWD WITH TIME AND

POSSIBLY AFFECTING NRN IL AND IND. RATHER IMPRESSIVE MEAN WINDS IN

THE LOWER 3KM FURTHER SUGGEST DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL AND POSSIBLE

OUTLOOK UPGRADE IN LATER OUTLOOKS. LATE TIME OF DAY AS WELL AS

UNCERTAINTY REGARDING ACTUAL MOISTURE/INSTABILITY LEVELS WILL

PRECLUDE AN ENH AREA AT THIS TIME.

 

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