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March 5 Snow Thread-Model Discussion ONLY


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Not to divert attention but look at that moisture fetch on radar...dry isn't the first word that comes to mind.

The problem is just about everything you are looking at on radar right now coming right at us is the first wave that is going to be mostly rain tonight.  The models have been trending towards a stronger first wave and a weaker second the last 3 runs.  That is bad because the lead wave is running out ahead  of the cold air.  The more energy wave one takes off the weaker and more suppressed wave 2 will be behind it.  Hopefully models are jumping on the wrong wave and will correct tonight once its out of the way.  Sometimes they have issues resolving the 2 wave thing, and perhaps the euro is handing it better.  If it holds in 90 minutes I will feel better. 

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It's snowier. 6-8" in the area compared to 4-6" in the 0z run.

 

The meteocentre maps show the 00z GGEM dropping about 0.4-0.6" qpf as snow east of I95, and about 0.6"-0.8" west.  Maps aren't out yet for the 12z run.

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But heaviest actually from DC and locations just to the south.

 

the moisture to the south has that bend-y, up and over look to it.  seems like in those situations the axis of mod/heavy is harder to predict, like that 2/21 snowstorm that dissed the southern parts of the area.  anyway, not making a call, just an observation.

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change time is the big question on the Ukie since we can't tell by those maps when it changes, but that is very, very wet which is very nice to see from the Ukie

 

Just a very rough estimate looking at those panels, but it looks like on the order of ~15mm (0.6") or so after 12Z...assuming it's pretty much all snow after 12Z like most other guidance is showing.  There's a bit more actually right after 00Z Thursday night.

 

(ETA:  Perhaps I underestimated by looking only at those wide ranges on the precip plots...from the meteogram, and as Yoda mentions, it's probably more like something just over 20mm.  And, on looking again, there's really not much right after 00Z Thursday night, about 0.1mm perhaps.)

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Here's what WPC says about how to view and weigh the 12z suite.  They'll update as usual after the Euro run completes. 

 

..NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH DIGGING THROUGH THE MIDWEST/NORTHEAST...

...COLD FRONT SETTLING THROUGH THE EAST...

...SURFACE WAVE DEVELOPING ALONG THE FRONT AND IMPACTING THE

MID-ATLANTIC...

 

PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z NAM/12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF

CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE

 

THE MODELS CONTINUE TO FORECAST A COLD FRONT ADVANCING

SOUTHEASTWARD OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO DOWN THROUGH THE

MID-ATLANTIC AND SOUTHEAST AS ARCTIC HIGH PRESSURE NOSES SOUTH

DOWN THROUGH THE PLAINS AND MIDWEST. THE 00Z UKMET AND 00Z GEM ARE

OVERALL STILL A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS WITH

THE FRONTAL PROGRESSION. THE 12Z NAM/12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF ARE A

TAD FASTER TO DROP THE FRONT DOWN TO THE SOUTH...WHICH IS

SUPPORTED BY THE LATEST GEFS MEAN/SREF MEAN AND ECENS MEAN.

MEANWHILE...A SHORTWAVE TROUGH IS FORECAST TO BE DIGGING SOUTHEAST

ACROSS THE MIDWEST THROUGH THE PERIOD AND SHOULD CROSS THE OH

VALLEY BY LATE THURS AND THEN THE NORTHEAST THURS NIGHT. THIS

ENERGY IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP A COUPLE OF WEAK AREAS OF LOW

PRESSURE ALONG THE AFOREMENTIONED FRONT WHICH SHOULD TRACK FROM

THE TN VALLEY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC REGION ON THURS

BEFORE EJECTING RAPIDLY OUT TO SEA. WILL FAVOR THE MORE STRONGLY

CLUSTERED 12Z NAM/12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF GIVEN THE STRONGER

ENSEMBLE SUPPORT.

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Just a very rough estimate looking at those panels, but it looks like on the order of ~15mm (0.6") or so after 12Z...assuming it's pretty much all snow after 12Z like most other guidance is showing.  There's a bit more actually right after 00Z Thursday night.

looks like it might be a change time of 13z or 14z on the Ukie, but that would still get you .6-.7" qpf I would guess as snow

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