Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Yes. No evidence of freezing rain here that I see this morning. So at least some rain did fall last night or at least temperatures went above freezing. And it looks like about 1.5 inches of snow fell on the back end bringing my total to just under 5.5 inches. I'm pleased it ended well; the total here was about 5.0...3.5 before / 1.5 after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ah yes LI friend. No need to clear storm drains was my observation. It was not directed at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Soo much residual mid level moisture has allowed it to start snowing again out here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metsfan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Never went above 32 here in Western Suffolk. 3.5'' of snow with a coating of ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman86 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So when is our next chance for snow again. At least for NJ area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Snowing with a temp of 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycemt123 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good morning all! Is the event completely past? If not, timing for further slop? We'll be driving from Rockland to Cederhurst today, want to know what to expect. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 NYC, LGA, JFK and EWR never reported plain rain with this event. LGA was 33 and fzra- for several hours but technically no rain, I guess. Unfortunately our pristine snowpack last night is a slushy, gloppy mess thanks to the 0.35" of liquid that fell. Gonna get more slushy as we make a run at 40 today under the late Feb sun. Hammer comes down again tonight and anyone that has not attended to their sidewalk is staring at more bulletproof boiler plate ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 LGA was 33 and fzra- for several hours but technically no rain, I guess. Unfortunately our pristine snowpack last night is a slushy, gloppy mess thanks to the 0.35" of liquid that fell. Gonna get more slushy as we make a run at 40 today under the late Feb sun. Hammer comes down again tonight and anyone that has not attended to their sidewalk is staring at more bulletproof boiler plate ice. The rule of thumb is that it takes one inch of rain to melt three inches of snow; of course...there are several other factors in play...air temp, water content of the snowpack, etc. I'm not sure how a station can have a 2 m temp of 33 F, have liquid precipitation falling (not snow, sleet, or graupel)...and still report freezing rain. The fact that you say your region experienced melting and a "slushy, gloppy mess" characterizes the current state of affairs would seem to indicate that ordinary rain did indeed fall at that station for an extended period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The rule of thumb is that it takes one inch of rain to melt three inches of snow; of course...there are several other factors in play...air temp, water content of the snowpack, etc. What about 2" of clear slate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 If the ground is cold enough the rain freezes on contact. The rule of thumb is that it takes one inch of rain to melt three inches of snow; of course...there are several other factors in play...air temp, water content of the snowpack, etc. I'm not sure how a station can have a 2 m temp of 33 F, have liquid precipitation falling (not snow, sleet, or graupel)...and still report freezing rain. The fact that you say your region experienced melting and a "slushy, gloppy mess" would seem to indicate that ordinary rain did indeed fall at that station for an extended period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 What about 2" of clear slate? What exactly is "clear slate"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The fact that you say your region experienced melting and a "slushy, gloppy mess" characterizes the current state of affairs would seem to indicate that ordinary rain did indeed fall at that station for an extended period. Check dem obs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 If the ground is cold enough the rain freezes on contact. I guess with these borderline situations anything is possible; but usually the 2m temperature is a very key factor in determining freezing rain versus ordinary rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 What exactly is "clear slate"? Bulletproof ice pack of death... Cmon Pam, thought you'd connect the dots there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Check dem obs... I'm not going to misrepresent; I do not have a huge amount of experience dealing with the intricacies of freezing rain...this area out here is not prone to it...but what little I know; it helps if the 2m temp is a sub freezing temp for ice accretion to manifest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Usually yes but it takes a while to warm the ground when it's been so cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Bulletproof ice pack of death... Cmon Pam, thought you'd connect the dots there. Some colloquialisms have never passed by my desk; it happens. As for the original query...it should be harder to melt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 So we've had about 46.5" of snow in Port Jeff so far this winter season...really a very good amount all things considered...43.0 of those inches in the last 30 calendar days / since 24 January. The chances of seeing a 50 inch season now appear reasonably good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The rule of thumb is that it takes one inch of rain to melt three inches of snow; of course...there are several other factors in play...air temp, water content of the snowpack, etc. I'm not sure how a station can have a 2 m temp of 33 F, have liquid precipitation falling (not snow, sleet, or graupel)...and still report freezing rain. The fact that you say your region experienced melting and a "slushy, gloppy mess" characterizes the current state of affairs would seem to indicate that ordinary rain did indeed fall at that station for an extended period. I only got a few tenths of a degree above freezing, and at that point the rain was still freezing on paved surfaces (cleared ones), but not on the trees. I'd report that as either freezing rain or mixed precip. And since it is an obs thread, 32.7 now (9:54AM) is the highest it has been since midnight (low was 31.6 at 7:46 AM). Not much movement in temp at all since yesterday afternoon. Snowfall here was 3.5" yesterday and 0.9" this morning. The new snowfall is rather thoroughly packed down. Current snow depth is 14" There is about 3.5" of softer snow on top until you hit the old hard ice. There are still some relatively softer layers below that old crust. At the bottom remains the old icy frozen glop from January 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnionWeatherWx Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Still 32F. I highly doubt we make it to 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I only got a few tenths of a degree above freezing, and at that point the rain was still freezing on paved surfaces (cleared ones), but not on the trees. I'd report that as either freezing rain or mixed precip. And since it is an obs thread, 32.7 now (9:54AM) is the highest it has been since midnight (low was 31.6 at 7:46 AM). Not much movement in temp at all since yesterday afternoon. Snowfall here was 3.5" yesterday and 0.9" this morning. The new snowfall is rather thoroughly packed down. Current snow depth is 14" I would think it is likely that water could freeze on contact with a cold surface even if the 2m temp is above freezing. However, an extended period where the 2m temp is above 32.0 F would probably eventually work its way down to the ground; ending the freezing rain episode. I recall you writing a scholarly essay on that; concerning the inevitable upswing in temperature due to the release of latent heat from the rainfall...or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I would think it is likely that water could freeze on contact with a cold surface even if the 2m temp is above freezing. However, an extended period where the 2m temp is above 32.0 F would probably eventually work its way down to the ground; ending the freezing rain episode. I recall you writing a scholarly essay on that; concerning the inevitable upswing in temperature due to the release of latent heat from the rainfall...or something like that. Agreed, but while the ground temps still permit freezing, my inclination is to call it freezing rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 LGA was 33 and fzra- for several hours but technically no rain, I guess. Unfortunately our pristine snowpack last night is a slushy, gloppy mess thanks to the 0.35" of liquid that fell. Gonna get more slushy as we make a run at 40 today under the late Feb sun. Hammer comes down again tonight and anyone that has not attended to their sidewalk is staring at more bulletproof boiler plate ice. Just came in from shoveling. It felt like I was shoveling cement instead of snow. I received 4 inches of snow before it turned to sleet and freezing rain last night. The sidewalks in my area are still really icy. I am getting tired of this ice crap. Just give me a pure snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIN Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good morning all! Is the event completely past? If not, timing for further slop? We'll be driving from Rockland to Cederhurst today, want to know what to expect. Thanks! Slushy sloppy mess until tonights hard freeze. have plenty of windshield washer on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Just came in from shoveling. It felt like I was shoveling cement instead of snow. I received 4 inches of snow before it turned to sleet and freezing rain last night. The sidewalks in my area are still really icy. I am getting tired of this ice crap. Just give me a pure snowstorm. At some point I would like to see a March 93 style storm take a BM track. That's probably the only extreme snowstorm variety that we have been missing in the 2000's so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERSEYSNOWROB Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ice still clinging to trees here but melting fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 At some point I would like to see a March 93 style storm take a BM track. Maybe that will happen this March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshack Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Have a net gain of 1.25" wet snow from yesterday's event, thoroughly compacted. Flurries now and 34F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sun is coming out and the temp is up to 36. I think we can manage to reach the lower 40's today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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