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2/21-2/23 Weekend Possible Storm


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I find it so odd that so many of the Mets who have been running with high totals on events all winter are going fairly low on this one. I guess burned one too many times.

Probably because it's such a weird set-up. If I were a met I wouldn't want to ride a high snowfall forecast on a weak low coming up west of us with tons of WAA precip. It's way outside the comfort zone

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NW of I-95 should have a decent snow event, 4-6" or so, but close to the coast, especially the south shore probably won't get above 2-3" at most before cold rain. Remember that even though the water near shore is cold, the water beyond that is still more than warm enough for rain and there will be more than enough southerly fetch. There could be quite the difference in snow totals over White Plains vs. my home town. My call right now is Long Beach gets 1.5", White Plains 7". Central Park might eke out 5" if there's enough snow up front but 3" if front end snow is lax. So I'd go with 5" on the northern end of the Bronx, 2" over the Rockaways. 

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A friend and I were discussing Upton recently and surmising what may be going on and he came up with what I think is a pretty good explaination. Going through the atmospheric sciences classes, we both found that they are beginning to focus very heavily on computer programming. Undergrad focused more on this than the forecasting side we found, though the science side was also heavily weighed upon as well. Additionally, Upton now requires a master's degree to work for them as a forecaster and consequently the canidates become further indoctrinated with computer programming skills. Now while the program trains you very proficiently in both the science and computer programming aspects, they do not teach how to apply this knowledge to forecasting anymore. We were being taught to find the problems within the algorithms on the computer models, however, not to apply the science of what the computer models are doing incorrectly. We both believe that this is where Upton is having issues.

Great post. The November storm they busted tremendously for my area. I was in their 10-14 range which mached with most of the models that had algorithms using 10:1. I ended with 4. It was as if climatology was never taken into consideration.

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A friend and I were discussing Upton recently and surmising what may be going on and he came up with what I think is a pretty good explaination. Going through the atmospheric sciences classes, we both found that they are beginning to focus very heavily on computer programming. Undergrad focused more on this than the forecasting side we found, though the science side was also heavily weighed upon as well. Additionally, Upton now requires a master's degree to work for them as a forecaster and consequently the canidates become further indoctrinated with computer programming skills. Now while the program trains you very proficiently in both the science and computer programming aspects, they do not teach how to apply this knowledge to forecasting anymore. We were being taught to find the problems within the algorithms on the computer models, however, not to apply the science of what the computer models are doing incorrectly. We both believe that this is where Upton is having issues.

 

That would be one bizarre policy, I know the NWS prefers master degrees but its not usually a requirement.  I guess any office though can go about selecting people their own way.  That sounds like someone has a bug up their ass if they really will only hire a Masters degree.

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That would be one bizarre policy, I know the NWS prefers master degrees but its not usually a requirement. I guess any office though can go about selecting people their own way. That sounds like someone has a bug up their ass if they really will only hire a Masters degree.

And I'd argue that an MS is pretty irrelevant to the actual job of forecasting... I got a Masters and many of the undergrads cared more and knew more about forecasting than the grads, I'd always get excited about storms, etc., and my classmates would be like, "what storm, I have to tweak this Matlab model"

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