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2/21-2/23 Weekend Possible Storm


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Wow that's a lot of rain after the changeover. Enjoy the thump because it's going to be gone as fast it comes in.

The Gfs looked colder aloft but still warm at the surface.

 

Usually the lead WAA with these steals all the energy and you end up with much less behind it than the models show, hence why they tend to end was drizzle or spotty rain

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GGEM is still snow at NYC at hr42 (6z Sunday)

ggem sniffed out this storm earlier than any other model. I'm going to ride this one with ggem. I doubt we change over to plain rain. Unfortunately I feel terrible as what could happen. We have anywhere from 6-12 inches of snowpack. Figure another 4-6 will fall tomorrow and it'll be heavy wet snow. I don't think we switch to plain rain at all. I think this thing is outta here by 3-4am or 8z-9z Sunday morning. I do think the snow will change to freezing rain around 6z or so 1am Sunday morning and continue till the precip shuts off. A quarter inch of ice is not out of the question. I just don't see the rain here. Ground is frozen solid so we can have freezing rain and 34 degrees in the city. Permafrost is probably at its highest this time of the year, not to mention the snowpack all over the boundary this storm is taking and also there's like a mile wide ice accumulations on the coast and water temps in the mid 30's I don't see it warming up higher than 38 and that's after the precip shuts off and the sun comes out Sunday afternoon!
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ggem sniffed out this storm earlier than any other model. I'm going to ride this one with ggem. I doubt we change over to plain rain. Unfortunately I feel terrible as what could happen. We have anywhere from 6-12 inches of snowpack. Figure another 4-6 will fall tomorrow and it'll be heavy wet snow. I don't think we switch to plain rain at all. I think this thing is outta here by 3-4am or 8z-9z Sunday morning. I do think the snow will change to freezing rain around 6z or so 1am Sunday morning and continue till the precip shuts off. A quarter inch of ice is not out of the question. I just don't see the rain here. Ground is frozen solid so we can have freezing rain and 34 degrees in the city. Permafrost is probably at its highest this time of the year, not to mention the snowpack all over the boundary this storm is taking and also there's like a mile wide ice accumulations on the coast and water temps in the mid 30's I don't see it warming up higher than 38 and that's after the precip shuts off and the sun comes out Sunday afternoon!

and is this assumption for NYC?

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Sigh...not even close to a 'wash away' situation. 4-8" then maybe an inch or so of compaction is not 'wash away' with temps in mid 30's and light rain

Absolutely one hundred percent correct.

The south shore guys can attest to this as we have seen it a million times. This is good snow pile building stuff.

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ggem sniffed out this storm earlier than any other model. I'm going to ride this one with ggem. I doubt we change over to plain rain. Unfortunately I feel terrible as what could happen. We have anywhere from 6-12 inches of snowpack. Figure another 4-6 will fall tomorrow and it'll be heavy wet snow. I don't think we switch to plain rain at all. I think this thing is outta here by 3-4am or 8z-9z Sunday morning. I do think the snow will change to freezing rain around 6z or so 1am Sunday morning and continue till the precip shuts off. A quarter inch of ice is not out of the question. I just don't see the rain here. Ground is frozen solid so we can have freezing rain and 34 degrees in the city. Permafrost is probably at its highest this time of the year, not to mention the snowpack all over the boundary this storm is taking and also there's like a mile wide ice accumulations on the coast and water temps in the mid 30's I don't see it warming up higher than 38 and that's after the precip shuts off and the sun comes out Sunday afternoon!

 

Is there any scientific reasoning behind this or just a weenie hunch?

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ggem sniffed out this storm earlier than any other model. I'm going to ride this one with ggem. I doubt we change over to plain rain. Unfortunately I feel terrible as what could happen. We have anywhere from 6-12 inches of snowpack. Figure another 4-6 will fall tomorrow and it'll be heavy wet snow. I don't think we switch to plain rain at all. I think this thing is outta here by 3-4am or 8z-9z Sunday morning. I do think the snow will change to freezing rain around 6z or so 1am Sunday morning and continue till the precip shuts off. A quarter inch of ice is not out of the question. I just don't see the rain here. Ground is frozen solid so we can have freezing rain and 34 degrees in the city. Permafrost is probably at its highest this time of the year, not to mention the snowpack all over the boundary this storm is taking and also there's like a mile wide ice accumulations on the coast and water temps in the mid 30's I don't see it warming up higher than 38 and that's after the precip shuts off and the sun comes out Sunday afternoon!

 

Weather201415?

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Usually the lead WAA with these steals all the energy and you end up with much less behind it than the models show, hence why they tend to end was drizzle or spotty rain

I'm going with 3-5" from TTN to MMU, 2-4" for HPN, EWR and LGA and then 1-3" for SWF and ISP. 0.05" to 0.10" of ice from TTN to MMU and then about 0.25" to 0.50" of rain for all areas except SWF. I think the system dries out some as you move northeast due to weaker WAA and I think a lot of precip is wasted on poor ratio snow and or a mix.

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If it wasn't the over the top weenieism, the obligatory exclamation points gave it away.

i said the same thing for the last storm that was supposed to change to rain but everyone was making fun of it and saying I was trolling so if I'm wrong tomorrow so be it, but I don't think nyc switches to rain. Look at the trends Dan... We haven't seen rain since Christmas eve!
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i said the same thing for the last storm that was supposed to change to rain but everyone was making fun of it and saying I was trolling so if I'm wrong tomorrow so be it, but I don't think nyc switches to rain. Look at the trends Dan... We haven't seen rain since Christmas eve!

Said the same thing for the last storm, but you just joined the board 2 days ago?
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What system was it last year that looked like it would come in as snow and quickly flip to ZR/IP and ended up being 4-8" dump and then some ice at the very end? I can see some similarities here.

That was a much stronger low that tracked up the coast with more WAA, this system doesn't quite have that push that system did, that was the one where some places snowed 3 inches an hour at the start

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Said the same thing for the last storm, but you just joined the board 2 days ago?

 

 

My guess is he is another one of the famous TonyLovesSnow personalities. Someone please give him an IP ban and be done with it.

 

It's Weather201415.  He basically confirmed... or should I say, he basically confirmed!

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What system was it last year that looked like it would come in as snow and quickly flip to ZR/IP and ended up being 4-8" dump and then some ice at the very end? I can see some similarities here.

If it comes in hard, fast, and early then maybe we could a surprise heavy dump. Rates are usually the heaviest near the changeover line in these cases.

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That was a much stronger low that tracked up the coast with more WAA, this system doesn't quite have that push that system did, that was the one where some places snowed 3 inches an hour at the start

yeah but it's precipitation is more dynamic. It'll be a lot heavier snow than the last event hence most models underestimate dynamic and evaporative cooling

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i said the same thing for the last storm that was supposed to change to rain but everyone was making fun of it and saying I was trolling so if I'm wrong tomorrow so be it, but I don't think nyc switches to rain. Look at the trends Dan... We haven't seen rain since Christmas eve!

It rained here like last week...

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last pure rain here was 1/18...1/24 ended as light rain/drizzle.  Since then, nothing liquid here which is nothing short of amazing.

Yeah the system around 1/24 ushered in an unbelievable stretch of cold and wintry weather. Having highs in the 30's and 40's is pretty typical for this area in February and I think I've only broken freezing once so far. Part of the reason why I still have 90% of what has fallen on the ground.

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