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2/21-2/23 Weekend Possible Storm


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I still think you need to reconsider the way you use certain terms.  Your usage of "amped" is way off.  The flat flow at 6z is the flat flow at 12z.  Nothing is amped.

Look at the differences in the strength of the vorticy over the mid-west and then towards MO. It's clearly more amped than 06z.

 

12z

 

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every great lakes cutter has verified weaker since the big xmas eve storm that failed to change the pattern

 

 

and both types have gotten most of us to an above average season

 

hardly anything to complain about,given how bad this winter could have turned out

 

 

Very good points....

 

This is going to be one of the best snowfall comebacks in quite some time with nearly all of it falling from 1/24 on.

It's all on the fantastic Pacific blocking providing enough cold despite a strong +AO winter. The sharp seasonal

snowfall  gradient from Boston to Philly and DC is the end result.

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The 12z GFS is definitely a bit stronger with the precipitation. Yes the cutter is not even a storm it weakens as it goes northeast and I wouldn't be surprised if the new models showed a redeveloping low off the New Jersey coast. CMC 12z was a great run imo it shows moderate snow event with a bit of light rain and drizzle as the boundary scoots southeast. Also bluewave made a good point about the models being inconsistent this year, but even late last year we had problems with suppression. This will end up being a 3-6 front end ending as drizzle imo

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It's about time :P

This could be a weird scenario where places South and West do better as the front end can only outrun the warming so much. Also it's looking like those areas will get higher initial QPF

 

In 25 years of memory I have never once seen this occur, I believe maybe some parts of E-PA on 12/28/90 did do a bit better than NYC but that was probably due to banding...any signal where PHL/DCA is getting more snow is likely due to models overdoing BL warmth near NYC

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In 25 years of memory I have never once seen this occur, I believe maybe some parts of E-PA on 12/28/90 did do a bit better than NYC but that was probably due to banding...any signal where PHL/DCA is getting more snow is likely due to models overdoing BL warmth near NYC

I see it happen all the time where DC and BWI get a bigger front end dump than places north and east on these over running events, often times by surprise.I would agree with you that it's more likely that NYC does very well if the places you mentioned making good on the front end assuming enough priest it makes it up that way.

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Maybe we shouldn't even be looking at model details beyond 24-48 since the seasonal trend always

magically gets confirmed under 2 days that the models have been playing catch up with all winter.

 

The two types of major winter storms for us this winter:

 

A system that is far enough west that has a good front end thump before any PTYPE issues and

surface temps verify colder with less rain than expected.

 

A strong coastal storm that stays all snow that goes too far east  for areas west of NYC to cash in on the

jackpot.

From the looks of the SAI index in the late fall/early winter a lot of us, myself included, was expecting a dominate -AO and -NAO regime. If that was the case, we would be having Boston's dream season right now.

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Upton says 2-4" NYC, 3-4" extreme LHV and 4-6" northern orange points north, less as you head south and less west of orange

Seems reasonable looking at the latest models, but things will invariably change in the next couple of days. Just like all the recent storms. The models are strugling...just yesterday it was all about strong cutters torching 3 ft. snowpacks in 12 hours.

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http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/wwd/day3_psnow_gt_04.gif

 

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Enjoy the Snowstorm that's on its way... ;)

 

bet we get a habitually bad poster ...intervention

very soon--and from the admin of this board no less

just a hunch----dm

 

end of my input... for this system

​I am not a post hog.......

 

You're such an HPC shill... ;)

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http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/wwd/day3_psnow_gt_04.gif

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Enjoy the Snowstorm that's on its way... ;)

bet we get a habitually bad poster ...intervention

very soon--and from the admin of this board no less

just a hunch----dm

end of my postings...this for system

Excellent call on the previous storm for NYC DM. This one is looking good as the models are picking up more on the confluence to our north. a strung out weak system can do just find in this set up.

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