Windspeed Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 A thread to discuss the potential for a Southern winter storm affecting portions of the Tennessee Valley. SHORT WAVE ENERGY TRACKING FROM THE NORTHERN ROCKIES CARVES OUT APOSITIVELY TITLED LONG WAVE TROUGH ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST STATES ANDSOUTHERN PLAINS ON DAYS 2 AND 3. WHILE THERE WAS GENERALLY DECENTAGREEMENT ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE LONG WAVE TROUGH...THERE WASSPREAD ON THE TRACK OF THE SURFACE LOW AND THE AMOUNTS OF MOISTUREDRAWN NORTH FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO. THESE FACTORS INFLUENCE THENORTHERN EXTENT OF THE PRECIPITATION SHIELD AND PRECIPITATIONTYPE. AT THIS POINT...THE 12Z NAM/00Z ECMWF/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANBLEND APPEARS TO HANDLE THE MOISTURE FOR DAYS 2 AND 3 (THE 12Z GFSSEEMS TOO SUPPRESSED WITH THE MOISTURE).. Area forecast discussionNational Weather Service Morristown Tennessee307 PM EST Friday Feb 13 2015Short term...(tonight through Saturday night)...high pressure overthe area shift east tonight and early Saturday. An Arctic frontwill move through late in the day Saturday...followed by a surge ofbitter cold air. Precipitation will move in Saturdayafternoon...especially north...and will likely start as some lightrain showers in valley areas before transitioning to snow showers bySaturday night. However...freezing levels will be low enough formost of the precipitation to fall as snow in the higher elevations...andsome light snow accumulation is expected there. Winds will increaseahead of the front and will continue as winds shift to the northwestbehind the front. Winds will be stronger in the higher elevationsof the east Tennessee mountains...and will issue a Wind Advisory for themountains from Monroe north. The very cold air will combine withthe winds to produce wind chill values that reach warning criteriain these same mountain areas...so will issue a wind chill watch aswell for Saturday night. May end up needing a Wind Chill Advisoryfor some other parts of the area as well...especially the plateauand SW Virginia...but will let later shifts evaluate this. Will issue anSpecial Weather Statement highlighting the snow and cold potential.Long term...(sunday through friday)... very interesting forecastin the extended period...with a possible significant winter weatherevent occurring on late Sunday night and Monday. However...this isstill an uncertain forecast given the fluctuations between forecastmodels regarding the timing of the system and the amount of quantitative precipitation forecastthat will occur. Currently...my feeling is that the European model (ecmwf) /and itsemsembles/ has been more consistent in showing timing/track and quantitative precipitation forecastfor this event. To a lesser extent...the NAM is on board with thisEuropean model (ecmwf) wetter solution...though its timing is earlier by around 12hours. Combined with the sunfreezing air...this would supportwidespread snowfall across the region during this time period. TheGFS also shows a snow solution...but is much weaker with quantitative precipitation forecastamounts. Given its very erratic run to run track record oflate...have opted to weigh the European model (ecmwf)/NAM solutions more heavily forthis forecast package. At any rate...all model guidance suggeststhat some snowfall /possibility significant/ will occur across theTennessee Valley and southern appalachian region from 06z Monday to06z Tuesday.The primary factor for generating this snowfall will be the verycold temperatures in place at the surface and aloft Sunday night...with lows /even with some cloud cover/ bottoming out in the teensacross the nearly the entire Tennessee Valley. Lift will alsoenhanced by a fairly Stout 700 mb jet rotating over the region. Themain questions will be much moisture will be available to work withand the timing of the precipitation. As mentioned...the NAM isearlier with its timing and shows the heaviest precipitation movingthrough the area faster...during a 06-18z Monday time period. TheEuropean model (ecmwf)/Canadian shows a slower solution during the day and more of a12z Monday to 00-06z Tuesday time frame. In each case though...quantitative precipitation forecastamounts are high which would generate a good measurable snowfallareawide. As a result...have introduced snowfall amounts for thistime period...though as mentioned timing is still a big question.At this time...have favored the European model (ecmwf) solution more and show accumulationoccuring toward the late morning and afternoon on Monday. Althoughit will most definitely be possible to see higher amounts should theforecast continue to trend this way...have gone a littleconservative in snowfall amounts for now give the model flucuation.This will allow for some flexibility and fine-tuning as more modelruns come...and confidence increases one way or the other. Asmentioned...models have wavered with this system quite a bit...soexact totals/timing are still uncertain at this time. However...confidenceis high for some valley and mountain snowfall accumulations onMonday. As such...have added a broad 1-2 inches in the grids acrossthe entire forecast area...with very slightly higher amounts acrossthe southern valley/plateau and mountains. The potential for awidespread heavier snow event is possible for Monday...but do wantto see a couple more model runs before having enough confidence toplace this in the forecast.Thereafter...the forecast remains somewhat in question...though thefavored European model (ecmwf) shows a drier period for Tuesday into Wednesday as thebase of the trough rotates across the region. Other than some lightsnow showers across the mountains Tuesday night...the secondary lowthat will form on the leeside of the mountains will track furthereast and thus keep any additional precipitation to the east of themountains. The GFS shows some moisture working in on Tuesday...butgiven its aforementioned back and forth track record have beencautious with trusting this for now. Models do hint at the potentialfor another round of precipitation moving southeast into theTennessee Valley early Thursday...though the magnitude and track arestill uncertain this far out. Overall...this upcoming week will bevery cold and much below normal for this time of year. Some reliefmay occur by Friday into the weekend as southerly winds and perhapssome weak ridging start to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John1122 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I don't buy the 18z GFS any more than I bought the other two runs of it today. It's not consistent at all and imo has to be discounted due to that. Will just have to see what it does with the storm over the next 36-48 hours to see how it all pans out. I like the consistency of the other models vs that of the GFS and it's major track shifts north and south for now. The best thing about it all is that so far, every model brings pretty widespread snowfall to the Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathertree4u Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I don't buy the 18z GFS any more than I bought the other two runs of it today. It's not consistent at all and imo has to be discounted due to that. Will just have to see what it does with the storm over the next 36-48 hours to see how it all pans out. I like the consistency of the other models vs that of the GFS and it's major track shifts north and south for now. The best thing about it all is that so far, every model brings pretty widespread snowfall to the Valley. I would suspect that the overnight run of the GFS would correct to more closely align with the UKMET, the ECMWF and the NAM imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stovepipe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I step away for a few hours and return to the gfs TOTALLY REDEEMING itself! Welcome back to the party Goofus, we missed you! At this point I feel pretty strongly about a widespread 3-6 inches across the entire Tennessee Valley. Will I be sweating bullets through the next two model suites? Sure, but man it feels good to be where we're at right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrgjeff Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I also favor a NAM Euro/ECMWF blend, and not just to wish for snow. The lead isentropic lift often comes out faster and farther north than forecast. If something creeps back in here Tuesday, that would be a bonus. That MRX Friday afternoon discussion is a gem. They are definitely in the forecast zone. Still like the conservative MRX amounts too. Though Monday snow is only 3 days out now, this is the South and everything must be exactly right. So far it looks like the ingredients are coming together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234snow Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I have a feeling tonight runs will tick back upward with the QPF. Yesterday's 18z GFS led the way for about a days worth of lesser QPF solutions. Maybe it starts a new trend tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Sref was cold and juicy looking .....and still going at hour 87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234snow Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 0z NAM is in and it is interesting to say the least. It has less emphasis on the first wave(well the precip is further south over southern TN and northern AL/MS). Then the main trough back over the Rockies picks up the Baja low (big development) and the whole precip shield over the Deep South is expanding and heading back north. At Hour 84 the storm is still cranking. It has northern Alabama and Mississippi buried. Clown Map out to hour 84: http://imgur.com/xLTNdvv Precip from the hour 84 panel: http://imgur.com/pCrZBqH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234snow Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hour 84 Precip Type: http://imgur.com/YlGJp5K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Will be interesting to see how this plays out. We are back to a (3.5 days away) storm all the sudden if the snows Monday morning peter out. I don't like that, but if it brings the Baja low out and phases it, we'd probably do better overall. I really wanted 2-3 inches out of the streak of precip Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1122 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The NAM has this thing down to 1007 over SW. Louisiana. If it cranks up from there there's liable to be p-type issues, especially in warm nose prone areas. But it's the NAM at 84, which isn't particularly reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 True John. I am most interested in the UKIE and EURO tonight, which I likely won't see till the morning. I might make it to see the GFS play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234snow Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Another look at the simulated radar. This is just for entertainment purposes coming from the hour 84 NAM. I've seen the NAM be horribly wrong in some earlier events this year but I still can't stop posting it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234snow Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 True John. I am most interested in the UKIE and EURO tonight, which I likely won't see till the morning. I might make it to see the GFS play out. GFS is rolling! You can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 well the GFS went N but bringing back the warm nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stovepipe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 0z GFS snow lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 0z GFS snow lol: [ Is that 10 inch lollipop right over your house Stove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Looks almost like the Euro,if the euro stays the same tonight i'm all in with the Euro,its in its range now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1122 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 It just keeps snowing and snowing. It looks like 10-12 over a large portion of East Tennessee. 4-6 over the rest of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 crazy cold the GFS is showing for the tri area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1122 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The freezing line will be hovering around the southern border areas on that run, which would allow for some mixing issues. Most of the valley gets heavy snow and temps in the 20s through the event though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 gfs like i mentioned a few days ago would break the record on the 19th for bna of 5 degrees,low is -17.3c on tonights run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkhorn Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 SREF plumes keep going up and up. The SREF mean for TYS is now at 5". I haven't seen that in a long time. If ever. Let's hope this doesn't all fall apart tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 close to a beast next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 SREF plumes keep going up and up. The SREF mean for TYS is now at 5". I haven't seen that in a long time. If ever. Let's hope this doesn't all fall apart tomorrow. KTRI and BNA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stovepipe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 KTRI and BNA? BNA at 6, TRI about 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 close to a beast next weekend Shewwww Lordy Jax, I can only handle one at a time! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 KTRI and BNA?s like where you guys are at.Like Carver mentioned a couple days ago the models won't pick up on lil clippers.You guys in the tri area are more likely to see this than other parts of the Valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 UKIE looks cold, consistent, and nicely juiced. Snow map should look nice tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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