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Upstate NY/North Country and Canadian/VT Borders Mid Feb. 2015 through end of Winter


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Ummm...I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that at some point the advisory will be upgraded to warnings for Oswego Co....conditions for some 6-12 hours look really good....a 270 wind (even with some quasi ice coverage)will produce rates that blow an "advisory" out of the water....look for a foot +/- a few inches somewhere in Oswego Co.

I agree. Somewhere between here and Pulaski or so look really solid for several hours. Considering we should see a single band this time around I expect at least a few hours of 1-3"/hr rates somewhere
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You know what I find a bit weird, the fact that I haven't seen a single Deer all season long?? Maybe they can't easily navigate through waist high snow, without drifts, lol, so maybe that's why??

Much like he unfortunate bee kill DeltaT13 has experienced, probably going to see a very thinned out deer population after this winter.

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Don't forget as well that there were some sub -20F temps in much of WNY and CNY, a threshold where 80% or more of emerald ash borer larvae will die.

That's good news...

I wonder about the snow depth insulating bugs from the extreme cold though. I had always heard that the best conditions for limiting insect population was a "cold & dry" winter. At least the ones that live in the upper soil layers. A winter with long periods of snow cover can insulate bugs from the harshest cold depending on timing, etc. Although around these parts, virtually every winter features widespread snow cover for extensive periods. So I wonder what if any variation this winter will have on insect population. Will be interesting to hear what scientists have to say on this eventually.

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I didn't notice any decrease in insects/insect damage after last winter. In fact, saw more borer damage to trees. Also got my first tick bite after living here for 11 years. And the mosquitos were fierce last summer. This month has been much colder so we'll see.

 

I haven't gone out on the trails behind our house for several weeks, but I can say that I'm not seeing any evidence of deer or foxes near the house (and there was plenty of activity when the snow wasn't very deep).

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Its weird, the King City Radar (just north of toronto) shows a circulation just north of Toronto. With a NW wind off Georgian Bay and off of Erie. But off the end of Ontario, the LES is oriented SW to NE. The latter is what I would expect. But the orientation off of Georgian Bay (NW to SE) suggests to me, that this event might be pushed a little further south along the south lake shore than previously advertised. Of course, I have a horse in the race (living in Rochester) which might make me biased. But it is something to watch.

I'm becoming more and more suspect of the NWS talking about ice coverage on Ontario- there really isn't much to speak of. I simply can't understand why they insist on mentioning it as some huge limiting factor. It just isn't!!! Todays satellite images showed over 90 percent of Ontario being ice free.

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Surprise. The Southern lake Ontario Counties are once again getting heavy snow. hash tag unexpected. LOL. I think it is due to a low that established itself more toward toronto vs much further north as the models suggested. but it is just fluff. hope today and tonite keeps it coming. who knows, we could add a couple inches to this epic winter. Good luck to the Syracuse region also.

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IDK, the BL dries up very quickly after the passage of the front so there's not much moisture to play with, and looking at echoes behind the front it looks like winds are setting up on a 270-280 as KBUF is suggesting, pretty much a due westerly dir which should bode well for Pulaski-Mexico and areas East of there(TUG) but I'm still somewhat skeptical of anything coming close warning amounts for either Oswego or Lewis cty's but I guess we'll see.  KBUF for some strange reason didn't even bother to run their Meso models since 12Z 24th so I guess their not to enthused about the short lived event but as always, surprises do happen, lol, so we'll see.

 

It does however seem strange with such steep lapse rates with the incoming airmass that there wouldn't be more of a response, on the models as well, but the RGEM , which KBUF uses quite often for these events, isn't showing amounts over 3-5" even on the TUG so this ones up in the air I suppose!  Even the Arctic front seems moisture starved and they usually pack a small punch as they cross but this one isn't for some reason.

 

We'll see what transpires throughout the day as KBUF has 2-4" in our forecast for tonight.  

 

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The records keep rolling in!!!:

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SXUS71 KBGM 251216

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

0715 AM EST WED FEB 25 2015

...SYRACUSE NY CLIMATE STATS...

FEBRUARY 24TH, 2015 WILL MARK THE 26TH CONSECUTIVE DAY THAT THE

MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE WAS 32 DEGREES OR LESS IN SYRACUSE, NY. THAT IS

THE THIRD LONGEST STREAK EVER ON RECORD. 2ND PLACE IS 27 STRAIGHT

DAYS IN 1912. THE ALL TIME RECORD IS 28 DAYS SET IN 1977. IF OUR

FORECAST IS CORRECT, WE WILL BREAK THE ALL TIME RECORD THIS FRIDAY.

000

SXUS71 KBGM 251833 AAA

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

132 PM EST WED FEB 25 2015

...RECORD DAILY LOW TEMPERATURES SET AT SYRACUSE NY FEBRUARY 16TH...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF -17 DEGREES WAS SET AT SYRACUSE NY

FEBRUARY 16TH. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF -10 SET IN 1943.

ALSO ON THAT DAY THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS -5.5 DEGREES. THE OLD

RECORD FOR FEBRUARY 16TH WAS -2.5 DEGREES IN 1904.

THE HIGH TEMPERATURE WAS 6 ABOVE ZERO WHICH WAS NOT COLD ENOUGH TO

BREAK THE RECORD OF ZERO SET IN 1904.

000

SXUS71 KBGM 251843

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

143 PM EST WED FEB 25 2015

...RECORD DAILY TEMPERATURES AT SYRACUSE NY FEBRUARY 20TH...

ON FEBRUARY 20TH THE HIGH TEMPERATURE AT SYRACUSE WAS 5 DEGREES.

THIS TIES THE DAILY RECORD FOR THE COLDEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE FIRST

SET IN 1950.

ALSO ON FEBRUARY 20TH THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS -4.5 WHICH BROKE

THE RECORD FOR THE COLDEST AVERAGE TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE. THE OLD

RECORD WAS -4 SET IN 1966.

THE LOW TEMPERATURE OF -14 DID NOT BREAK THE RECORD OF -21 SET IN

1966.

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SXUS71 KBGM 250852

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

0349 AM EST WED FEB 25 2015

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT SYRACUSE NY...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF -18 DEGREES WAS SET AT SYRACUSE NY YESTERDAY.

THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF -13 SET IN 1914.

000

SXUS71 KBGM 251838 AAA

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT...UPDATED

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

138 PM EST WED FEB 25 2015

...RECORD DAILY COLD TEMPERATURES TIED AT SYRACUSE NY FEBRUARY

19TH...

ON FEBRUARY 19TH THE HIGH TEMPERATURE AT SYRACUSE WAS 11 DEGREES.

THIS TIES THE DAILY RECORD FOR FEBRUARY 19TH FOR THE COLDEST MAXIMUM

TEMPERATURE. THE RECORD WAS FIRST SET IN 1916.

ALSO ON FEBRUARY 19TH THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS 4 WHICH TIED THE

RECORD FOR THE COLDEST AVERAGE TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE. THE RECORD

WAS FIRST SET IN 1966.

THE LOW TEMPERATURE OF -3 DID NOT BREAK THE RECORD OF -9 SET IN

2007.

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SXUS71 KBGM 241211

RERSYR

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

0711 AM EST TUE FEB 24 2015

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

...RECORD DAYS BELOW ZERO IN A CALENDAR YEAR FOR SYRACUSE NY...

WE HAVE DROPPED BELOW ZERO AGAIN THIS MORNING IN SYRACUSE, NY. THIS IS THE

20TH TIME THIS YEAR (2015) THAT WE HAVE DROPPED BELOW ZERO, WHICH IS

AN ALL TIME RECORD. THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 19 DAYS WAS SET IN 1948.

RECORDS FROM SYRACUSE GO BACK TO 1902. IF THE FORECAST HOLDS, WE MAY

HAVE AT LEAST A FEW MORE BELOW ZERO DAYS AGAIN LATER THIS WEEK,

ADDING TO THE CURRENT RECORD!

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SYR will SHATTER the coldest month ever!! 12.8 is the current all time record for ANY coldest month...see below for up to date current: (also, I wonder what the greatest departure ...either high or low...has ever been recorded at SYR...this month would be tops in that also, I presume...)

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CXUS51 KBGM 250859

CF6SYR

PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6)

STATION: SYRACUSE NY

MONTH: FEBRUARY

YEAR: 2015

LATITUDE: 43 7 N

LONGITUDE: 76 7 W

TEMPERATURE IN F: :PCPN: SNOW: WIND :SUNSHINE: SKY :PK WND

================================================================================

1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

12Z AVG MX 2MIN

DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR

================================================================================

1 24 11 18 -6 47 0 0.06 1.2 5 7.1 16 270 M M 9 1 21 260

2 14 1 8 -16 57 0 0.34 8.8 11 12.7 28 300 M M 10 19 33 310

3 22 -2 10 -14 55 0 T 0.4 14 7.6 21 220 M M 8 18 26 210

4 32 14 23 -1 42 0 0.17 2.9 13 9.4 22 260 M M 10 19 27 250

5 22 6 14 -10 51 0 0.05 1.8 16 11.1 21 340 M M 8 189 24 310

6 22 5 14 -10 51 0 0.02 0.4 14 13.8 24 260 M M 7 18 31 250

7 27 20 24 0 41 0 0.18 2.1 14 8.0 17 240 M M 10 1 21 250

8 23 10 17 -8 48 0 0.28 3.6 15 7.1 15 90 M M 10 18 20 90

9 20 9 15 -10 50 0 0.43 5.8 19 3.7 12 90 M M 10 12 14 100

10 18 5 12 -13 53 0 T T 21 6.5 12 300 M M 9 1 13 300

11 28 -1 14 -11 51 0 0.05 1.0 20 3.4 12 90 M M 7 18 13 100

12 24 0 12 -13 53 0 0.08 3.9 20 14.1 32 270 M M 9 129 39 270

13 8 -13 -2 -27 67 0 T 0.4 20 6.9 18 250 M M 7 19 24 250

14 22 2 12 -14 53 0 0.14 4.4 20 9.7 23 280 M M 10 19 30 300

15 8 -6 1 -25 64 0 0.04 3.0 25 17.0 26 330 M M 9 19 33 340

16 6 -17 -5 -31 70 0 T T 25 6.0 15 260 M M 7 1 19 270

17 17 -11 3 -23 62 0 T T 24 2.9 7 270 M M 8 9 100

18 24 -7 9 -17 56 0 0.06 2.6 23 5.8 28 270 M M 8 129 32 260

19 11 -3 4 -23 61 0 0.20 6.2 26 18.5 28 260 M M 10 1289 38 290

20 5 -14 -4 -31 69 0 0.08 1.6 29 13.5 26 250 M M 7 19 32 250

21 20 -16 2 -25 63 0 0.10 4.4 32 6.1 21 160 M M 9 19 28 160

22 25 13 19 -8 46 0 0.02 1.0 31 6.7 24 310 M M 10 19 33 310

23 13 -6 4 -24 61 0 0.15 3.6 33 14.5 21 270 M M 9 129 30 290

24 19 -18 1 -27 64 0 0.00 0.0 32 10.2 24 200 M M 7 34 180

================================================================================

SM 454 -18 1335 0 2.45 59.1 222.3 M 208

================================================================================

AV 18.9 -0.8 9.3 FASTST M M 9 MAX(MPH)

MISC ----> # 32 270 # 39 270

================================================================================

NOTES:

# LAST OF SEVERAL OCCURRENCES

COLUMN 17 PEAK WIND IN M.P.H.

PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) , PAGE 2

STATION: SYRACUSE NY

MONTH: FEBRUARY

YEAR: 2015

LATITUDE: 43 7 N

LONGITUDE: 76 7 W

[TEMPERATURE DATA] [PRECIPITATION DATA] SYMBOLS USED IN COLUMN 16

AVERAGE MONTHLY: 9.1 TOTAL FOR MONTH: 2.45 1 = FOG OR MIST

DPTR FM NORMAL: -16.4 DPTR FM NORMAL: 0.71 2 = FOG REDUCING VISIBILITY

HIGHEST: 32 ON 4 GRTST 24HR 1.37 ON 1- 2 TO 1/4 MILE OR LESS

LOWEST: -18 ON 24 3 = THUNDER

SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL 4 = ICE PELLETS

TOTAL MONTH: 59.1 INCHES 5 = HAIL

GRTST 24HR 8.8 ON M 6 = FREEZING RAIN OR DRIZZLE

GRTST DEPTH: 33 ON 23 7 = DUSTSTORM OR SANDSTORM:

VSBY 1/2 MILE OR LESS

8 = SMOKE OR HAZE

[NO. OF DAYS WITH] [WEATHER - DAYS WITH] 9 = BLOWING SNOW

X = TORNADO

MAX 32 OR BELOW: 24 0.01 INCH OR MORE: 18

MAX 90 OR ABOVE: 0 0.10 INCH OR MORE: 9

MIN 32 OR BELOW: 24 0.50 INCH OR MORE: 0

MIN 0 OR BELOW: 13 1.00 INCH OR MORE: 0

[HDD (BASE 65) ]

TOTAL THIS MO. 1335 CLEAR (SCALE 0-3) 0

DPTR FM NORMAL 387 PTCLDY (SCALE 4-7) 10

TOTAL FM JUL 1 5000 CLOUDY (SCALE 8-10) 14

DPTR FM NORMAL 316

[CDD (BASE 65) ]

TOTAL THIS MO. 0

DPTR FM NORMAL 0 [PRESSURE DATA]

TOTAL FM JAN 1 0 HIGHEST SLP M ON M

DPTR FM NORMAL 0 LOWEST SLP 29.48 ON 14

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Are you kidding me??? a minus freakin' 16.4 departure from normal this deep into a month???? Unbelievable!!! Sorry, grandparents (God rest their souls)...your "stories" have been topped!!!

I'd agree with that, been telling the kids they are living thru history in the making right now...

Next week should add to the snow and reach my seasonal avg of 127"...I think I'm about 118 now.

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Are you kidding me??? a minus freakin' 16.4 departure from normal this deep into a month???? Unbelievable!!! Sorry, grandparents (God rest their souls)...your "stories" have been topped!!!

That's pretty awesome, some day you'll be reminiscing about the winter of 2014/15 lol. Here in ALB we're running a 13.1 degree departure with an average monthly temperature of 12.3, not gonna be enough to top Feb 1934 (12.1) but we'll probably steal second place.

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Are you kidding me??? a minus freakin' 16.4 departure from normal this deep into a month???? Unbelievable!!! Sorry, grandparents (God rest their souls)...your "stories" have been topped!!!

 

Similar numbers in Buffalo. As of yesterday, they were at an average temperature of 11.1, which is a 14.8 departure from normal. The coldest month in Buffalo history is February 1934 with an average temperature of 11.6. So as it stands now, that record should be broken fairly comfortably. And this is with 145 years of climate data (back to 1871 I believe). I think Syracuse goes back to 1901. Very impressive stuff we are seeing this month.

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Interesting write up but not very accurate. He wrote in Feb 2011 that the next winter would be cold. 2011-2012 (if memory serves) was historically warm. He also talks a lot about La Niña. The last couple of winters have actually been El Niño winters, all be them weak El Niño. This winter, in US aggregate will be normal with the West and Rockies being very warm while the NE shivered. I like Bastardi, but he is constantly rewriting the past to FIT with his vague fcsts. Long range fcsts are a fools game. Rarely correct. Won't stop me from reading his blogs and posts.

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This is bugging me too.  They mention it again when discussing lake effect mid-week off Ontario.  Here's the sat shot from today. Ice is largely restricted to far eastern basin.  Don't they know to check this out???

 

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syracuse.com still talking about the huge amount of ice on lake ontario

http://www.syracuse.com/weather/index.ssf/2015/02/lake_ontario_ice_lake_effect_snow_watertown_cold_february.html

 

in that article it looks like the picture is a couple weeks ago before we had those strong winds last weekend...

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syracuse.com still talking about the huge amount of ice on lake ontario

http://www.syracuse.com/weather/index.ssf/2015/02/lake_ontario_ice_lake_effect_snow_watertown_cold_february.html

 

in that article it looks like the picture is a couple weeks ago before we had those strong winds last weekend...

 

It seems that the article does reference the morning of February 17th as the image that is used in the article.  It has an unmistakable meso-cyclone in the image.  

 

Here is today's current picture from the lake, I'll give it a solid 20-25 percent ice covered.  Only 60 percent different than the great lakes observation page.....bunch of jokers.

 

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Wake up Upstate forum!!!! :)

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

238 PM EST FRI FEB 27 2015

NYZ012-019>021-085-280345-

/O.NEW.KBUF.WS.A.0003.150301T0900Z-150302T1200Z/

WYOMING-CHAUTAUQUA-CATTARAUGUS-ALLEGANY-SOUTHERN ERIE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WARSAW...JAMESTOWN...OLEAN...

WELLSVILLE...ORCHARD PARK...SPRINGVILLE

238 PM EST FRI FEB 27 2015

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH

MONDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BUFFALO HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM

WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH

MONDAY MORNING.

* LOCATIONS...CHAUTAUQUA...CATTARAUGUS...ALLEGANY...WYOMING...AND

SOUTHERN ERIE COUNTIES.

* TIMING...FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH EARLY MONDAY MORNING.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...POTENTIALLY 7 INCHES OR MORE OF SNOW.

* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL FROM SNOW COVERED ROADS AND POOR VISIBILITY.

* FORECASTER CONFIDENCE...MEDIUM.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THAT HEAVY SNOW AND/OR ICE

ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE. IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...

REMAIN ALERT TO RAPIDLY CHANGING WEATHER CONDITIONS.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

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Wake up Upstate forum!!!! :)

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

238 PM EST FRI FEB 27 2015

NYZ012-019>021-085-280345-

/O.NEW.KBUF.WS.A.0003.150301T0900Z-150302T1200Z/

WYOMING-CHAUTAUQUA-CATTARAUGUS-ALLEGANY-SOUTHERN ERIE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WARSAW...JAMESTOWN...OLEAN...

WELLSVILLE...ORCHARD PARK...SPRINGVILLE

238 PM EST FRI FEB 27 2015

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH

MONDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BUFFALO HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM

WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH

MONDAY MORNING.

* LOCATIONS...CHAUTAUQUA...CATTARAUGUS...ALLEGANY...WYOMING...AND

SOUTHERN ERIE COUNTIES.

* TIMING...FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH EARLY MONDAY MORNING.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...POTENTIALLY 7 INCHES OR MORE OF SNOW.

* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL FROM SNOW COVERED ROADS AND POOR VISIBILITY.

* FORECASTER CONFIDENCE...MEDIUM.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THAT HEAVY SNOW AND/OR ICE

ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE. IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...

REMAIN ALERT TO RAPIDLY CHANGING WEATHER CONDITIONS.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

 

Yay! I don't think a WSW is needed. I think a general 4-6" is possible across WNY. Would put me above 200" on the year for my first time ever though.

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You gotta give credit to JB, dude called it back in 2011 when he use to work with accuwx.. :rolleyes:

http://m.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/bastardi-three-of-next-five-wi-1/45220

 

 

Interesting write up but not very accurate. He wrote in Feb 2011 that the next winter would be cold. 2011-2012 (if memory serves) was historically warm. He also talks a lot about La Niña. The last couple of winters have actually been El Niño winters, all be them weak El Niño. This winter, in US aggregate will be normal with the West and Rockies being very warm while the NE shivered. I like Bastardi, but he is constantly rewriting the past to FIT with his vague fcsts. Long range fcsts are a fools game. Rarely correct. Won't stop me from reading his blogs and posts.

It'll be really interesting to see what happens over the next 20-30 years and whether or not we will indeed return to the climatic conditions of the late 1970s. Could these past two winters be a warning shot?

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This is one of those winter mornings where the sun is shining and the sky looks blue yet periodically very light snow is floating through the air. I haven't seen much discussion on this board about tomorrow and tomorrow night's snow event. Are we looking at a SWFE similar to last Saturday's 4 to 8 inch event? It seems like this one's being downplayed but so was last week's until that banding set up over northern Onondaga and southern Oswego counties and gave us around 7 inches.

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Quite unreal...and I think the reality of what we have just been through (Feb. '15), will take some time to truly appreciate.

And not to downplay AT ALL the above records, but at SYR, the manner in which a long standing COLDEST MONTHLY RECORD is being SMASHED is statistically mind boggling, when scrutinized....SYR will beat said record by nearly 3 degrees!!! I'd like to know ANY station in the US that has beaten their coldest (or warmest for that manner) MONTH EVER by such a wide margin, say over the last 50 years.  Obviously, early on in ALL historical data records, records are broken more frequently, and by decent margins....but with well over 100 years of data at SYR, to break such a record with such vigor, is really, really statistically mind bending! ie....this HAS to be a record margin for beating a long standing record of a MAJOR statistic at ANY US weather data collecting site!!!!!..........OK, enough drama.....but it is at minimal pretty neat!! ;)

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