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The 00z RGEM looks to have come in colder/snowier for central NC.

 

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

 

Not sure on accumulations yet.  Looks like it snows for longer than last run... perhaps as a result of the overrunning precip being a little further south.

 

EDIT: Maybe not colder, but wetter.

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Is there any way to find out the mean freezing rain or are you just looking at the plumes, the mean QPF output, and the P-type pops?

The SREF plumes here indicate mostly snow at the start, then predominantly sleet until close to the end, by which time most of the 0.83" QPF has already fallen.

I still think NWS RAH's 3-5" call looks good here. QPF looks to be in the 0.75-1" range and I think we can manage 1-3" of snow before the changeover. The predominant P-type should be sleet, which falls at a 3:1 ratio, which means we can probably manage a few inches of pingers. Add those together and 3-5" seems reasonable.

I'm just looking at the sounding overview on bufkit, not the SREF plumes website although you could view those in bufkit as well.
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SREF  24 hour qpf looked drier but the mean on the plumes was the same so not sure what is up with that?  NAM looked a little wetter.  Warm nose above 850 MB could become an issue for sleet but have not seen soundings.  I looked at the sounding for GSO earlier and the warm nose was above 850 so don't trust the blue line.  It was getting close here to so curious to see 00z.  

For anyone looking at ZR, hope you do not lose power.  With the cold modeled for late week, no power would be really bad. 

Hmm that's the first i've heard that the warm nose is above 850. thanks

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Canadian RGEM looks essentially the same on the p-type loop this run.  It doesn't look warmer or drier just going by this loop

 

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

 

Looks wetter over the northern Piedmont, though?  The 18z run was pretty dry, IIRC, with most of the early moisture lost north of the VA border.

 

00z: http://img.meteocentre.com/models/gemreg_amer_00/P1_GZ_D5_PN_024_0000.gif

 

18z: http://img.meteocentre.com/models/gemreg_amer_18/P1_GZ_D5_PN_030_0000.gif

 

Precip/temps look a tick south to be at hr 24 on the Model Center.

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Nice longer bump of Snow around here also (southern Foothills) as it starts. Also, looks to be more sleet then FR on this run..

The 00z RGEM looks to have come in colder/snowier for central NC.

 

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

 

Not sure on accumulations yet.  Looks like it snows for longer than last run... perhaps as a result of the overrunning precip being a little further south.

 

EDIT: Maybe not colder, but wetter.

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The 00z RGEM looks to have come in colder/snowier for central NC.

 

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

 

Not sure on accumulations yet.  Looks like it snows for longer than last run... perhaps as a result of the overrunning precip being a little further south.

 

EDIT: Maybe not colder, but wetter.

yes it looks good!

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Yeah james, I didn't really do a heavy compare with the RGEM loop...but just noted that it wasn't worse

 

Haha, yeah, I am in over-nitpick mode right now being right on the line. :lol:

 

It's coming out on the Model Center now, so we should have a better look shortly.

 

The clowns for the RGEM differentiate between snow, sleet, and freezing rain, so they may be worth a post.

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Hmm that's the first i've heard that the warm nose is above 850. thanks

Yea, I can't figure out those funny graphs but text soundings are pretty cool.  Just use you closest airport code and model.  When RAP is in range it is deadly. 40km NAM give 3 hour intervals so pretty good at close range too.  

http://www.wxcaster.com/models_text.htm

 

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James does rgem get heavy ice back to athens, atlanta?

 

Heavy rain for those areas.

 

 

I bet RGEM has several inches of snow for you. RDU is snow for roughly 3 hours on RGEM, about .1-.15" QPF, so 1" or so.

 

Yeah, looks like 2-3", verbatim, before going over to sleet.  Very close to a little more or a little less, so there's some variance there.  It's about double the snow the 18z ran had.  The 18z also had zero snow for RDU, and now it looks like maybe an inch for you guys.

 

Looks like it's onboard with the frigid surface temps, too, as we fall into the low 20s and maybe even the teens.  Other modeling supports these frigid surface temps, too, so it will be interesting.

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Looks wetter over the northern Piedmont, though?  The 18z run was pretty dry, IIRC, with most of the early moisture lost north of the VA border.

 

00z: http://img.meteocentre.com/models/gemreg_amer_00/P1_GZ_D5_PN_024_0000.gif

 

18z: http://img.meteocentre.com/models/gemreg_amer_18/P1_GZ_D5_PN_030_0000.gif

 

Precip/temps look a tick south to be at hr 24 on the Model Center.

Nice catch. Looks like more solid precipitation in the latest run to me too.

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Look, not trying to be a debbie downer, but If the main precip shield is along or north of the NC/VA boarder, it's been my experience that the precipitation south of that is light and non-uniform. That's how it usually looks in situations like this. So we're going to have to wait until the main north/south oriented band comes through. That will be good for what, about 2-4 hours of solid precip?

I'm not even discussing warmer temp possibilities of a later onset or of light/spotty precip raising dewpoints or latent heat release via zr.

Why are those concerns not warranted?

 

CR, my guess would be 6-8 hours of precip for CLT and RDU.  As discussed, we aren't getting the wide precip shield like they are from KY to VA.  However, this precip is still being largely driven by warm advection which is the most reliable form of precip generation IMO.  It looks like frontogenesis and jet level support are contributing as well...but the point being, I wouldn't expect the precip to be spotty and scattered...just not the wide swath like to the north.

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