Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 You can have a raging El Nino...a double La Nina...or Three French Hens...and climatology will still be the controlling factor with regards to who gets the most snow. These variations of the atmosphere certainly may tweak the totals in one direction or another...but snowy places are still gonna snow...and non snowy places probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I've heard some areas in America average more snow than other areas...its called climatology...and, try as one might...you cannot fight it. Its also not an accident or luck. Mt Washington still gets more snow...much, much, much more than Dulles Airport...even if we have suppression down to Miami...You are correct .....I don't get people's infatuation with Boston. They average more than us and we are not catching them , people have to stop judging every storm against what they are going to get. Who cares. It's over , they won this one. There have been many an El Niño winters where Boston just crushed cities to its south in terms of snowfall So please stop mentioning Boston and stop looking for the next storm to be the one that will somehow get you closer to their snowfall totals to make you feel better. You are not catching Boston . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killabud Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 season average in two weeks and you still have to talk people down lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYY_2 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 season average in two weeks and you still have to talk people down lol seriously. We average about 27 inches where we are and we have 30. Its been a good year and its not done yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 season average in two weeks and you still have to talk people down lol I'm really rather good at it...I've gotten dozens of people to step back from ledges and choose an alternative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCSNOWMAN2020 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 You are correct ..... I don't get people's infatuation with Boston. They average more than us and we are not catching them , people have to stop judging every storm against what they are going to get. Who cares. It's over , they won this one. There have been many an El Niño winters where Boston just crushed cities to its south in terms of snowfall So please stop mentioning Boston and stop looking for the next storm to be the one that will somehow get you closer to their snowfall totals to make you feel better. You are not catching Boston . Well said...I LOVE SNOW...but would not WANT that much SNOW just a dangerous situation unfolding there IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithB Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well said...I LOVE SNOW...but would not WANT that much SNOW just a dangerous situation unfolding there IMO You would'nt? I would take every inch Boston has had, and as far as the " dangerous situation " that you mention....well, I'll take my chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Boston averages around a foot of snow more than NYC. Not 50". The whole "it's climatology" excuse doesn't explain that. Everyone understands we aren't catching them. It's not a race. But you'd be hard pressed to find any precedent to the disparity currently occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Boston averages around a foot of snow more than NYC. Not 50". The whole "it's climatology" excuse doesn't explain that. Everyone understands we aren't catching them. It's not a race. But you'd be hard pressed to find any precedent to the disparity currently occurring. Oh sure you would....1992-93...almost 100 inches at Logan...almost 25 inches at NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Boston averages around a foot of snow more than NYC. Not 50". The whole "it's climatology" excuse doesn't explain that. Everyone understands we aren't catching them. It's not a race. But you'd be hard pressed to find any precedent to the disparity currently occurring. I mean the actual, real averages are probably 43 Logan; 29 Central Park...so that's just shy of 150%...anytime you have such a disparity...you can have a lopsided season...things do not fall into tight little packets...it will not be 150% of the NYC average *all* the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The "snow race" aspect has a lot of entertainment value and appeals to the competitor (or gambler) in us. I don't have a problem with it. I like seeing the weenies in other regions get a lot of snow. I like it even more in my backyard and when my area gets more snow (when we "beat" them). Just don't kick the other guy when he's down. We shouldn't take this stuff seriously, but we know that a lot of people still do, so why make them bleed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The last 14 years both Boston and NYC have been anomalously snowy...the comparative percentages are about the same...but the actual raw numerical difference is greater...simply because soo much snow has fallen. Total Snowfall2000-01 through 2013-14 (Last 14 Years)Boston / Logan Airport: 679.8 inches / average 48.56 inchesNew York City / Central Park: 467.5 inches / average 33.39 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The whole "it's climatology" excuse doesn't explain that. BTW it is not an excuse...its a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcad1 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Euro?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The "snow race" aspect has a lot of entertainment value and appeals to the competitor (or gambler) in us. I don't have a problem with it. I like seeing the weenies in other regions get a lot of snow. I like it even more in my backyard and when my area gets more snow (when we "beat" them). Just don't kick the other guy when he's down. We shouldn't take this stuff seriously, but we know that a lot of people still do, so why make them bleed? Fresh in my mind is a post you made on this very topic years ago...went something along the lines of...BWI gets more than National...they deal with it...NYC gets more than BWI...they deal with it...Waterbury, CT gets more than NYC...they deal with it...Kevin gets more than Mt Washington... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithB Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Anyone doing euro pbp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Fresh in my mind is a post you made on this very topic years ago...went something along the lines of...BWI gets more than National...they deal with it...NYC gets more than BWI...they deal with it...Waterbury, CT gets more than NYC...they deal with it...Kevin gets more than Mt Washington... I believe the race that year was between Valdez, Tolland and McLean, VA PS, While I am sympathetic to the race, that does not extend to exaggerating measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 i understand what is being said about climo, but those of us in western zones while having done somewhat better recently, are not experiencing anything extraordinary according to climo ( ive had the same amount of snow in 2.5 wks that i had in the same amount of time last feb), furthermore depths out here are great but nothing extraordinary and have been up to a foot higher in recent winters. still many of us are looking for a storm to settle the score or give us something really special so we can remember that it wasnt just epic for worcester to boston. yes they are in a better snow spot but its getting ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCGreg Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I wasn't looking at the Euro myself, but from the NE forum it sounds like the Euro even gave NE only an advisory level snow. Can't imagine it did much here, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithB Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 i understand what is being said about climo, but those of us in western zones while having done somewhat better recently, are not experiencing anything extraordinary according to climo ( ive had the same amount of snow in 2.5 wks that i had in the same amount of time last feb), furthermore depths out here are great but nothing extraordinary and have been up to a foot higher in recent winters. still many of us are looking for a storm to settle the score or give us something really special so we can remember that it wasnt just epic for worcester to boston. yes they are in a better snow spot but its getting ridiculous I agree with this. Ever since the predicted great blizzard of 2015 two weeks ago...that was supposed to give me 24-36 inches (and left me with 4.5), I have felt off keel. I feel like I have been chasing that rush and feel we need at least one biggie to make things right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Euro has the initial low over Albany. Secondary comes off the Virginia/North Carolina boarder. Nothing more than light precip. 1-2 inches. Cape Cod does the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 i understand what is being said about climo, but those of us in western zones while having done somewhat better recently, are not experiencing anything extraordinary according to climo ( ive had the same amount of snow in 2.5 wks that i had in the same amount of time last feb), furthermore depths out here are great but nothing extraordinary and have been up to a foot higher in recent winters. still many of us are looking for a storm to settle the score or give us something really special so we can remember that it wasnt just epic for worcester to boston. yes they are in a better snow spot but its getting ridiculous Western areas have been screwed for years...my vacation house in the Poconos at 1600' elevation hasn't had a huge winter in years...though the snowpack is getting pretty deep there this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Western areas have been screwed for years...my vacation house in the Poconos at 1600' elevation hasn't had a huge winter in years...though the snowpack is getting pretty deep there this season. What about 09-10 in February, the heavy wet snow event followed by the retro bomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbanknjandbigbasslakepa Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Nzucker is right, I have a place in poconos at 1900 ft and they've been screwed for years. The place averages over 70" a year climatologically, but have been nickled and dimed to their averages lately if that. I've talked to folks about 3-4' Snowstorms of the past, but haven't seen a real big winter yet. So much so that a guy that I talk to up there that has been living there awhile said oh you get more snow down on the coast right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwarlock Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Why is this a banter thread...what did the models say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEXtreme Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Why is this a banter thread...what did the models say? Models showing dog days ahead from this Friday onward with many more dog days in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mophstymeo Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Why is this a banter thread...what did the models say? Nothing, which is why this became a banter thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Oh sure you would....1992-93...almost 100 inches at Logan...almost 25 inches at NYC. 83.9" at Logan. 24.5" NYC. It isn't as common as you think. Since 1891, when Logan started records (125 years), there have only been 6 years where Boston had more than 50" and was more than 200% over NYC's total. 1937-38 50.6" to 15.1" 1970-71 57.3" to 15.5" 1992-93 83.9 to 24.5" 1996-97 51.9" to 10.0" 2007-08 51.2" to 11.9" And of course: 2014-15 77.3" to 20.1" This is only the second year where Boston is over 70" and NYC is less than a third of that. I call that a pretty unusual occurrence. I mean the actual, real averages are probably 43 Logan; 29 Central Park...so that's just shy of 150%...anytime you have such a disparity...you can have a lopsided season...things do not fall into tight little packets...it will not be 150% of the NYC average *all* the time... Yes, 150%. It's not 284% The last 14 years both Boston and NYC have been anomalously snowy...the comparative percentages are about the same...but the actual raw numerical difference is greater...simply because soo much snow has fallen. Total Snowfall 2000-01 through 2013-14 (Last 14 Years) Boston / Logan Airport: 679.8 inches / average 48.56 inches New York City / Central Park: 467.5 inches / average 33.39 inches Agreed. I'm speaking in percentages. BTW it is not an excuse...its a fact. Yes, it's a fact, but it does not explain the disparity. There is always a storm that hits them and not us, but nothing like this 2.5 week stretch. It is historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottB Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Since this has become nothing but banter - might as well state this. For those of us in Central Jersey, we have definitely not seen anywhere near seasonal averages. I dont have my list this year but I cannot recall us seeing over 15 inches yet. Still itching for a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Since this has become nothing but banter - might as well state this. For those of us in Central Jersey, we have definitely not seen anywhere near seasonal averages. I dont have my list this year but I cannot recall us seeing over 15 inches yet. Still itching for a storm. New Brunswick has 14.8 I have 18.2 here in Edison so far...we avg about 23. The poster from metuchen who is a trained spotter I believe has 17-18 so far. Not great but much better then a goose egg. We have had snow cover for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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