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President's Day Weekend 2015 Storm Potential 2/14-2/15


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Yeah, just curious wonder what snow rates well be liking at, ill be plowing and hopefully don't have to go to any fire/ rescue calls. With talks of big winds, epic cold, as some say, power outages be concerning

Not to mention snow drifts, etc etc. Gotta love mother nature when she's mad she's mad

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Happy medium of the2?

Honestly, Rjay is correct and I shouldn't be answering with such confidence on the ratios. At the end of the day, ratios are incredibly hard to predict as not only are they poorly understood, but an incredible amount of factors play into them. The winds look like they will be screaming, but temperatures look pretty primed for optimal snow growth. Vertical Velocities also look favorable for significant snow growth and higher ratios, so things look good in that department. Yet liquid equivalent itself may even play a limiting favor role. All things considered I would expect about 12/13:1 ratios.
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I'm really torn over this storm. Usually I am always rooting for more snow. I love snow and snow for me is money. If this epic period in Boston hit Columbia instead of Harvard I would pay for a get together for this subform. (Assuming I was alive!!!!)

The reason I am apprehensive for larger amounts I would have to be outside for long periods in what will be just insane cold. Everyone knows what the buildings in Manhattan do to wind. So personally I hope LI (home) scores I'm ok with the city not this time around.

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High Wind Watches Up

 

Upton

 

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
400 AM EST FRI FEB 13 2015

...STRONG TO DAMAGING WINDS POSSIBLE LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SUNDAY...

CTZ005-006-009-010-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078-080-
176>179-132200-
/O.NEW.KOKX.HW.A.0001.150215T0500Z-150215T2300Z/
NORTHERN FAIRFIELD-NORTHERN NEW HAVEN-SOUTHERN FAIRFIELD-
SOUTHERN NEW HAVEN-WESTERN PASSAIC-EASTERN PASSAIC-HUDSON-
WESTERN BERGEN-EASTERN BERGEN-WESTERN ESSEX-EASTERN ESSEX-
WESTERN UNION-EASTERN UNION-ORANGE-PUTNAM-ROCKLAND-
NORTHERN WESTCHESTER-SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER-NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-
BRONX-RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-KINGS (BROOKLYN)-
NORTHWESTERN SUFFOLK-SOUTHWESTERN SUFFOLK-NORTHERN QUEENS-
NORTHERN NASSAU-SOUTHERN QUEENS-SOUTHERN NASSAU-
400 AM EST FRI FEB 13 2015

...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SUNDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW YORK HAS ISSUED A HIGH WIND
WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

* LOCATIONS...LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...NORTHEASTERN NEW JERSEY...NEW
YORK CITY...WESTERN AND CENTRAL LONG ISLAND...AND SOUTHWESTERN
CONNECTICUT.

* HAZARDS...STRONG TO DAMAGING WINDS.

* WINDS...NORTHWEST 25 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH.

* TIMING...STRONGEST WINDS LATE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY
AFTERNOON.

* IMPACTS...THE STRONG WINDS MAY DOWN TREE LIMBS AND POWER
LINES...AND MAKE DRIVING HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES DIFFICULT...
ESPECIALLY ON ELEVATED ROADWAYS AND BRIDGES. BLOWING SNOW MAY
MAKE TRAVEL AND SNOW REMOVAL EFFORTS DIFFICULT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A HIGH WIND WATCH MEANS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A HAZARDOUS
HIGH WIND EVENT. SUSTAINED WINDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH...OR GUSTS OF
58 MPH OR STRONGER MAY OCCUR. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST
FORECASTS.

&&

 
Mt.Holly
 
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
416 AM EST FRI FEB 13 2015

...A POSSIBLY DAMAGING HIGH WIND EVENT COULD OCCUR SATURDAY NIGHT
INTO SUNDAY...

NJZ009-010-012>015-018>020-026-027-PAZ060-070-071-101>106-132200-
/O.NEW.KPHI.HW.A.0001.150215T0300Z-150215T1900Z/
HUNTERDON-SOMERSET-MIDDLESEX-WESTERN MONMOUTH-EASTERN MONMOUTH-
MERCER-CAMDEN-NORTHWESTERN BURLINGTON-OCEAN-COASTAL OCEAN-
SOUTHEASTERN BURLINGTON-BERKS-DELAWARE-PHILADELPHIA-
WESTERN CHESTER-EASTERN CHESTER-WESTERN MONTGOMERY-
EASTERN MONTGOMERY-UPPER BUCKS-LOWER BUCKS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FLEMINGTON...SOMERVILLE...
NEW BRUNSWICK...FREEHOLD...SANDY HOOK...TRENTON...CAMDEN...
CHERRY HILL...MOORESTOWN...MOUNT HOLLY...JACKSON...
LONG BEACH ISLAND...WHARTON STATE FOREST...READING...MEDIA...
PHILADELPHIA...HONEY BROOK...OXFORD...WEST CHESTER...
KENNETT SQUARE...COLLEGEVILLE...POTTSTOWN...NORRISTOWN...
LANSDALE...CHALFONT...PERKASIE...MORRISVILLE...DOYLESTOWN
416 AM EST FRI FEB 13 2015

...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY
AFTERNOON...

* WINDS...NORTHWEST 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH.

* TIMING...THE HIGHEST WINDS SHOULD OCCUR LATE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO
SUNDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS...BE PREPARED FOR POWER OUTAGES, POSSIBLY LASTING FOR
MORE THAN 24 HOURS. DO NOT PARK VEHICLES WHERE TREES CAN FALL ON
THEM. MAKE SURE ALL CELL PHONE AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES ARE FULLY
CHARGED. IF YOU HAVE GENERATORS, PLEASE MAKE SURE THEY ARE
WORKING PROPERLY AND PROPERLY VENTILATED. EXPECT BRIDGE
RESTRICTIONS.

* SNOW...TWO TO FOUR INCHES OF SNOW EXPECTED SATURDAY AFTERNOON
INTO SATURDAY NIGHT. A BURST OF ONE TO TWO INCHES OF SNOW WITHIN
AN HOUR IS POSSIBLE AROUND DINNER TIME SATURDAY. THE WIND WILL
CAUSE SOME BLOWING AND DRIFTING PROBLEMS.

* WIND CHILLS...AROUND 10 BELOW ZERO ON SUNDAY MORNING.


PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A HIGH WIND WATCH MEANS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A HAZARDOUS
HIGH WIND EVENT. SUSTAINED WINDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH...OR GUSTS OF
58 MPH OR STRONGER MAY OCCUR. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST
FORECASTS.

&&

 
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UPTON

 

IN GENERAL...LOOKING AT A 2 TO 4 INCH SNOW POTENTIAL ACROSS NYC/NJ
METRO...WITH 3 TO 6 INCHES ACROSS LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...SW CT...AND
CENTRAL/WESTERN LI WITH EITHER HIGHER QPF(EAST) AND/OR BETTER SNOW
RATIOS (NORTH). POTENTIAL FOR 4 TO 8 INCHES ACROSS EASTERN
LI...
PARTICULARLY TWIN FORKS...AND SOUTHEASTERN CONNECTICUT WITH
LONGER BANDING POTENTIAL.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH THESE MILLER TYPE-B SYSTEMS...ALWAYS
UNCERTAINTY IN THE MESOSCALE PROCESSES AND WHERE HEAVY SNOW
BANDING WILL DEVELOP/AND SIT. TYPICALLY THERE WILL BE SUBSIDENCE
AND A SHARP GRADIENT TO THE WEST OF BANDING...SO LIKELY SOME
STRONG SNOW GRADIENTS
. SO SNOW AMOUNTS WERE FORMULATED BY STAYING
CLOSE TO GENERAL OPERATIONAL CONSENSUS OF 850-700 MB FRONTOGENETIC
PLACEMENT AND OPERATIONAL/ENSEMBLE QPF PLACEMENT...IN COORDINATION
WITH WPC AND SURROUNDING WFOS.

IN ADDITION TO THE HEAVY SNOW THREAT...WINDS WILL BE ON THE INCREASE
SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING FROM W TO E. WITH OPERATIONAL
MODELS INDICATING 950 MB WINDS INCREASING TO 50 TO 60 KT WITH STEEP
LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES ON BACKSIDE OF BOMBING LOW LATE SAT NIGHT
INTO SUNDAY.

GFS SOUNDINGS ARE INDICATING 55 KT GUST POTENTIAL IN
THE AVERAGED MIXED LAYER WINDS...WITH 60 TO 65 KT AT TOP OF MIXED
LAYER.

 

GIVES POTENTIAL FOR 25 TO 40 MPH WINDS WITH
GUSTS 50 TO 60 MPH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. HAVE ISSUED
HIGH WIND WATCH BASED ON THIS.

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UPTON

IN GENERAL...LOOKING AT A 2 TO 4 INCH SNOW POTENTIAL ACROSS NYC/NJ

METRO...WITH 3 TO 6 INCHES ACROSS LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...SW CT...AND

CENTRAL/WESTERN LI WITH EITHER HIGHER QPF(EAST) AND/OR BETTER SNOW

RATIOS (NORTH). POTENTIAL FOR 4 TO 8 INCHES ACROSS EASTERN

LI...PARTICULARLY TWIN FORKS...AND SOUTHEASTERN CONNECTICUT WITH

LONGER BANDING POTENTIAL.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH THESE MILLER TYPE-B SYSTEMS...ALWAYS

UNCERTAINTY IN THE MESOSCALE PROCESSES AND WHERE HEAVY SNOW

BANDING WILL DEVELOP/AND SIT. TYPICALLY THERE WILL BE SUBSIDENCE

AND A SHARP GRADIENT TO THE WEST OF BANDING...SO LIKELY SOME

STRONG SNOW GRADIENTS. SO SNOW AMOUNTS WERE FORMULATED BY STAYING

CLOSE TO GENERAL OPERATIONAL CONSENSUS OF 850-700 MB FRONTOGENETIC

PLACEMENT AND OPERATIONAL/ENSEMBLE QPF PLACEMENT...IN COORDINATION

WITH WPC AND SURROUNDING WFOS.

IN ADDITION TO THE HEAVY SNOW THREAT...WINDS WILL BE ON THE INCREASE

SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING FROM W TO E. WITH OPERATIONAL

MODELS INDICATING 950 MB WINDS INCREASING TO 50 TO 60 KT WITH STEEP

LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES ON BACKSIDE OF BOMBING LOW LATE SAT NIGHT

INTO SUNDAY.

GFS SOUNDINGS ARE INDICATING 55 KT GUST POTENTIAL IN

THE AVERAGED MIXED LAYER WINDS...WITH 60 TO 65 KT AT TOP OF MIXED

LAYER.

GIVES POTENTIAL FOR 25 TO 40 MPH WINDS WITH

GUSTS 50 TO 60 MPH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. HAVE ISSUED

HIGH WIND WATCH BASED ON THIS.[/quo

I think it does not include higher ratios 3 to 6 would be better call for NYC to Monmouth

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2-4/3-6 inches for the NYC metro area with more towards Eastern LI. Todays runs are going to be big to see where the trough sets up shop.

It's probably a 3 to 4 event for KNYC with 40 mph winds.

6 probably starts at the NS border This is off to your east.

Think smaller totals man. So you are not disappointed

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It's probably a 3 to 4 event for KNYC with 40 mph winds.

6 probably starts at the NS boarder This is off to your east.

Think smaller totals man. So you are not disappointed

2-4 is more likely with windswept snow.Hopefully the trough sets up shop over the area so we can all get buried. Man, I wish I lived in SNE. Another 12+ for them and possibly more next week.

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UPTON

IN GENERAL...LOOKING AT A 2 TO 4 INCH SNOW POTENTIAL ACROSS NYC/NJ

METRO...WITH 3 TO 6 INCHES ACROSS LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...SW CT...AND

CENTRAL/WESTERN LI WITH EITHER HIGHER QPF(EAST) AND/OR BETTER SNOW

RATIOS (NORTH). POTENTIAL FOR 4 TO 8 INCHES ACROSS EASTERN

LI...PARTICULARLY TWIN FORKS...AND SOUTHEASTERN CONNECTICUT WITH

LONGER BANDING POTENTIAL.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH THESE MILLER TYPE-B SYSTEMS...ALWAYS

UNCERTAINTY IN THE MESOSCALE PROCESSES AND WHERE HEAVY SNOW

BANDING WILL DEVELOP/AND SIT. TYPICALLY THERE WILL BE SUBSIDENCE

AND A SHARP GRADIENT TO THE WEST OF BANDING...SO LIKELY SOME

STRONG SNOW GRADIENTS. SO SNOW AMOUNTS WERE FORMULATED BY STAYING

CLOSE TO GENERAL OPERATIONAL CONSENSUS OF 850-700 MB FRONTOGENETIC

PLACEMENT AND OPERATIONAL/ENSEMBLE QPF PLACEMENT...IN COORDINATION

WITH WPC AND SURROUNDING WFOS.

IN ADDITION TO THE HEAVY SNOW THREAT...WINDS WILL BE ON THE INCREASE

SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING FROM W TO E. WITH OPERATIONAL

MODELS INDICATING 950 MB WINDS INCREASING TO 50 TO 60 KT WITH STEEP

LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES ON BACKSIDE OF BOMBING LOW LATE SAT NIGHT

INTO SUNDAY.

GFS SOUNDINGS ARE INDICATING 55 KT GUST POTENTIAL IN

THE AVERAGED MIXED LAYER WINDS...WITH 60 TO 65 KT AT TOP OF MIXED

LAYER.

GIVES POTENTIAL FOR 25 TO 40 MPH WINDS WITH

GUSTS 50 TO 60 MPH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. HAVE ISSUED

HIGH WIND WATCH BASED ON THIS.[/quo

I think it does not include higher ratios 3 to 6 would be better call for NYC to Monmouth

Rossi. Winds kill snow growth. You are probably looking at 12 to 1 ratios The guidance suggest you are at .3.

If you get 4 inches of snow with 40 mph winds you probably will not be able to tell the difference between 4 or 6

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