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Late Weekend Storm Threat


IsentropicLift

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:24 PM, Drz1111 said:

This would be a big, big ice storm for NYC as shown, maybe excepting southern Queens.

No, 32F is not going to get it done. The significant icing this run is more towards TTN where the cold air is shallower but cold enough to support ice accumulations. Most of what falls near MMU for example would be sleet.

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:23 PM, Winter201415 said:

not true. An ice storm could be huge as long as the ground is cold permafrost, also the temperature recordings at the surface is literally 2 meters above ground so ground is usually much colder especially with snow on the ground. Of course you can have an ice storm with 32 degrees who are you kidding!

Absolutely, good point on the ground temps and it has been cold for sure.

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ive seen it plenty of times up here sure things can freeze over quickly but after some warming it will run off needs to be 28 or 29 for the best results its very rare to get a good icestorm with temps around 32 unless precip is very light for a long duration 

  On 2/5/2015 at 6:23 PM, Winter201415 said:

not true. An ice storm could be huge as long as the ground is cold permafrost, also the temperature recordings at the surface is literally 2 meters above ground so ground is usually much colder especially with snow on the ground. Of course you can have an ice storm with 32 degrees who are you kidding!

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:25 PM, IsentropicLift said:

No, 32F is not going to get it done. The significant icing this run is more towards TTN where the cold air is shallower but cold enough to support ice accumulations. Most of what falls near MMU for example would be sleet.

A couple of weeks ago I got to 32, even 33, for a bit but the roads were a mess due to the colder ground temps. This cannot be overlooked IMO considering how cold it's been.

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:28 PM, IrishRob17 said:

A couple of weeks ago I got to 32, even 33, for a bit but the roads were a mess due to the colder ground temps. This cannot be overlooked IMO considering how cold it's been.

925mb temps are too cold for most areas, you need the cold air to be shallow otherwise you get sleet.

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:29 PM, nycsnow said:

You think it gets colder or warmer?

I trully believe that this ends up being a long, long duration snow event from the initial overruning and then the coastal. One or two vorts will end up taking over and it will blow up one mega low with some initial overrunning if we're lucky.

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  On 2/5/2015 at 6:22 PM, IrishRob17 said:

You're not going to get severe icing with a temp of 32, you need a temp below freezing.

Patently false. The worst ice storm in Philly history had temps between 30-34 throughout. A lot more goes into it then air temps

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Can we stop with all of the garbage posts about the trend North and the high being weaker...blah, blah, blah.

 

The vort was more amplfied so it was able to dig more which caused the heights to rise ahead of it and slowed everything down. When that happens you're always going to warm the mid-levels unless some type of coastal can take over and flip winds back out of the northeast.

 

The changes at H5 were huge. When you compare the day 4 panels to the 00z run it doesn't even look like the same model.

 

We're probably two days minimum away from having the final solution.

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This is an easy one folks. The city S & E forgot the overrunning . Maybe nw and elevation could get some moderate accumulations Saturday and sunday. The hope is that by Monday we get a consolidated low tracking from Ohio valley off the coast. If it tracks off snj or south we'll be looking at a 3-6" 4-8" type deal for cnj up through the metro 100 mile swath. If low, tracks over us it's nuisance slop and the show is north. This will be the outcome, but will it be south enough. Lets hope we can get something off southern nj or delmarva. Forget Saturday sunday for the metro outside of maybe far nw up into new England.

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