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Have to see if the GGEM and Euro follow the GFS footsteps.

 

Key will be watching what the GFS depicts and whether it follows true to form out in the Ohio Valley. 

 

The old GFS was usually too warm in strong CAD set ups like this one and ran the lows too far into the cold air.

This will be a big test for the new model since we don't have any experience yet with the upgrade. It will be

interesting to see what the 12z Euro has.

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Because the NAM belongs in the trash. You study every single model run, how do you not recognize that?

you're right, Euro has done MUCH better this week... about to go for 0 for 2 for the area and we're not talking about small busts, we're talking about major busts.. the NAM had two crazy runs with the blizzard on Monday but aside from that, was much better than the Euro.. and with tomorrows storm there is no comparison who sniffed out the north trend first.. euro been paying catch up

 

do i think its a great model - of course not. worthless - not quite... 

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The old GFS was usually too warm in strong CAD set ups like this one and ran the lows too far into the cold air.

This will be a big test for the new model since we don't have any experience yet with this new model. It will be

interesting to see what the 12z Euro has.

I will not throw it out because it throws up all over me.

I just want to see the rest of the guidance and see the handling of the CAD .

This is a frigid air mass. There is a good front end.

Dan makes a good point. Many times the front end could stoke you and by the time you torch there is not a lot left.

There is colder guidance but the GFS is plausible

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The old GFS was usually too warm in strong CAD set ups like this one and ran the lows too far into the cold air.

This will be a big test for the new model since we don't have any experience yet with this new model. It will be

interesting to see what the 12z Euro has.

 

The NAM was actually trying to run the low too far north the last day or two and has now dropped off a bit from doing that (hence the 850s have been running colder and dropping a bit further south.

 

This could be a really good test for the GFS to see how far improved it may be.  It's suggesting on the 12z not so much a farther north track, but a really strong moisture feed ahead of it.  Phil(?) I think had a good discussion yesterday on something to watch for in regards to this yesterday and heat release, etc.  

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you're right, Euro has done MUCH better this week... about to go for 0 for 2 for the area and we're not talking about small busts, we're talking about major busts.. the NAM had two crazy runs with the blizzard on Monday but aside from that, was much better than the Euro.. and with tomorrows storm there is no comparison who sniffed out the north trend first.. euro been paying catch up

 

do i think its a great model - of course not. worthless - not quite... 

 

Huh?  NAM was horrifically bad with the blizzard.  It was in lockstep with the Euro on incredible snowfall and western extent of the precip shield and then waffled back and forth a few times to the point where you couldn't trust it anymore it was so ridiculous.  

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Important to keep in mind, even in a mix OR rain scenario, there will most likely be several inches of snow up front. If this was the weaker, further south solution from earlier in the week, it would be maybe 4-6" of all snow. Now it may be 4-6"+ of snow followed by a lot of sleet, some areas rain. Monday night will be frigid, so everything should freeze quite rapidly and lead to dangerous driving conditions

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The biggest difference between the GFS and the ECMWF is at the surface. The 12z GFS is a good 15-20F warmer across most of PA/NY. I'm not sure I believe surface temperatures will be that much warmer given the orientation of the ridging to the north. The GFS does have a weaker ridge and broader surface low, but I'm unsure how well the surface inversion will be resolved at this point. SFC temps are almost always underestimated in this type of regime. 

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The GFS is taking the storm negative tilt faster than it did yesterday. That's why the low

cuts further to the north and is deeper. East based blocks can't handle as much

amplitude as west based ones can since there can still be enough of a SE Ridge

to spoil the party.

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I'm inclined to believe that the surface is probably going to stay pretty cold, especially from 78 North. But if this ends up as amplified as what some of the modeling is showing, the mid-levels are going to torch. I can see heavy snow to mix to dry slot to snow for the city, but the backend stuff looks very pedestrian if at all, more for Eastern LI than most people in this forum.

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Yeah, it's trended towards a bit of a worry/danger zone with regards to icy conditions in parts of NJ/metro areas. Good shot of a snow day for kids and work from home day for adults.

Correct if this does end of verifying then it could potential cause more problems in the NYC area then a foot of snow would.. Not good.

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This is looking like a possible ice storm warning event for NYC and LI.  Growing very concerned.  I'd say 2-4 inches of snow with .50 inch glaze.  Temps stay 29 with severe icing at surface. GFS is ice storm criteria with NE winds and T/TD around 30/30 at peak. Rather just going to sleet. Plain rain is not happening with 50/50 and confluence north of us.

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