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January 31-February 2nd Winter Storm Part 2


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Looking at the GFS surface temps, that freeze line is just south of the Chicago area at the start of the event, at 27 hours, it looks like it is just north of the city, and then by 30 hours is pushed farther south.  Hopefully future runs keep that south of us.  We are supposed to be at 34 tomorrow.

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Whatever the case, this map right here is about as close to model porn as it gets for us folks in the south of M-59 Detroit area...

http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays2.php3?STATIONID=DTX

 

 

I thought I'd never be one of the those dedicated guys who saves pictures of model runs; that just ended.

 

Chances are looking good here, but I haven't seen anyone bring up the concern about dry air aloft over Michigan in a few post. Are we considering the moisture content high enough to negate these chances? I'd love to be :weenie: -ing out, but everone showing reguard to the dry-air to overcome has cause some doubts of double digit snowfall... Preliminary Call in MBY: 7.5" +- 1".

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18z GEFS are north and wetter.

 

Very nice sign for MBY, if I can squeak out 4" or more up here on the very northern fringe I will consider it a major victory since almost all the models showed nothing here the last couple days. It's looking like the UKIE is going to pull it's 3rd coup of the season over the other models by my count (Xmas eve and i forget the other storm it won on too but I remember making a post about it a long time ago).

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Had some time so made this loop which I think is pretty darn cool...off the 18z GFS for DPA of a fcst sounding loop from 3z Sunday to 9z on Monday showing the changing thermal profile with time as well as the DGZ depths and colder air advects in along with the advection wind patterns as winds back around and strengthen out of the NE in the low levels.

 

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Here at the southern end of the watch area along I-70 I do have my concerns.  With northward model trends and the power of WAA I-80 and U.S. 30 just might end up being the sweet spot.

 

Yes, one more northward jog at 00Z and I might just have to drive up to my fishing trailer by Warsaw to enjoy the show lol.

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Regarding model QPF,

 

Completely subjective and nothing more than a hunch, but with lower-level flow off the Gulf, and mid-level flow from the Pacific, I would think it's more likely that QPFs end up underdone than overdone.  I'm not anticipating any significant model error, but I'm not really worried about verifying drier than expected either.

 

If you look at (for instance) 18z Sun in central IL or anywhere near there, you can see 850 mb flow coming from the western Gulf, and 700 mb flow coming from right near Cabo, directly on top of each other at the same point.  This isn't your father's Clipper.

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Regarding model QPF,

 

Completely subjective and nothing more than a hunch, but with lower-level flow off the Gulf, and mid-level flow from the Pacific, I would think it's more likely that QPFs end up underdone than overdone.  I'm not anticipating any significant model error, but I'm not really worried about verifying drier than expected either.

 

If you look at (for instance) 18z Sun in central IL or anywhere near there, you can see 850 mb flow coming from the western Gulf, and 700 mb flow coming from right near Cabo, directly on top of each other at the same point.  This isn't your father's Clipper.

Just to compound on this, this storm isn't going to be a fluffy dusty type snow for most. It is going to be heavy and wet especially along and south of I-80. The type of snow we haven't seen in a while locally.

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Regarding model QPF,

 

Completely subjective and nothing more than a hunch, but with lower-level flow off the Gulf, and mid-level flow from the Pacific, I would think it's more likely that QPFs end up underdone than overdone.  I'm not anticipating any significant model error, but I'm not really worried about verifying drier than expected either.

 

If you look at (for instance) 18z Sun in central IL or anywhere near there, you can see 850 mb flow coming from the western Gulf, and 700 mb flow coming from right near Cabo, directly on top of each other at the same point.  This isn't your father's Clipper.

 

 

I've been thinking the same thing...nice to hear others back it up.  The 1"+ amounts on the models don't seem far-fetched...more a question of exactly where it ends up.

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Just to compound on this, this storm isn't going to be a fluffy dusty type snow for most. It is going to be heavy and wet especially along and south of I-80. The type of snow we haven't seen in a while locally.

Yeah. 8-10" of heart attack snow. Probably a danger not being considered due to the relative lack of snow this year.

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Regarding model QPF,

 

Completely subjective and nothing more than a hunch, but with lower-level flow off the Gulf, and mid-level flow from the Pacific, I would think it's more likely that QPFs end up underdone than overdone.  I'm not anticipating any significant model error, but I'm not really worried about verifying drier than expected either.

 

If you look at (for instance) 18z Sun in central IL or anywhere near there, you can see 850 mb flow coming from the western Gulf, and 700 mb flow coming from right near Cabo, directly on top of each other at the same point.  This isn't your father's Clipper.

 

I agree with this, but for a different reason.  The East to NE flow over central WI and Eastern MN will further act to pool the moisture south east of there, Near the Chicago area.  As the southern surge of moisture comes up it will pool somewhere before the cold air drives the system to the east instead of towards the NE towards MI.

 

Edit: the last paragraph is mine

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Been pretty busy today up until a short while ago.  Was real nice to come home and read 15+ pages on a storm again from the day.  Been awhile.

 

I believe the Air Force method is related to the slant-stick method.   :lmao:

 

Very pumped about this storm.  I'm all in and going with 8-11" for here.  May have a very brief mix at onset, but would be very brief if it even happens.  Love the long duration of this event.   :snowing:

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Any prospects on the snow ratios for DTX

dtx had this in their pm afd

 

FORECAST SOUNDINGS AT DTW

INDICATE THE DGZ RATHER HIGH IN THE COLUMN FROM ABOUT 550-700 MB AT

THE BEGINNING OF THE EVENT WITH A NEARLY ISOTHERMAL LAYER BELOW THAT

AROUND -8 TO -10C. THIS WILL TRANSLATE INTO SNOW RATIOS AROUND 12-

13:1 AT THE START OF THE EVENT INCREASING TO AROUND 15-16:1 SUNDAY

NIGHT AS COLDER AIR IS WRAPPED INTO THE SYSTEM.

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