TheSnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 So as a few days have gone by after our fairly Historic Snowstorm (and as we try to figure out these videos with over 30" of compact to decipher if there were 40" Totals missed), it's time for me to talk about the one thing I Can contribute to this board - Historical context after an event. Since you don't want ME forecasting your town! Yes the NESIS scale is out for the Blizzard of 2015, and it's a bit low. Don't worry, I already laughingly complained to Paul as I did for the Blizzard of 2013 which missed ALL of the 30" amounts in central CT. But we all know what these were like in every aspect. So, why not, Really rank what I think were the 12 most Impressive events in Northeast History. - Blizzard of 2015 - Blizzard of 2013 - Duel Blizzards of 2010 (Mid-Atlantic) - Blizzard of 2006 - Blizzard of 2005 - PDII of 2003 - April Fool's Day Blizzard of 1997 - Blizzard of 1996 - Superstorm of 1993 - Blizzard of 1978 - 100 Hour Storm of 1969 - Great White Hurricane of 1888 It is unbelievable to think that 9 of the 12 listed here are since the Great Snow Era started in 1992 with a Blizzard of its own which broke the Worcester Record at the time. One would think this is wrong and that we just don't have the data of previous storms. Though I have studied the Great storms of the 60's and 40's and others of the 80's and PDI; and none of them really deserve to be in the Highest echelon of storms in terms of widespread 20"+ amounts and memorable aspects form what I can see, but please tell me differently (Will and Jerry!). Here are 10 Aspects to Rank These on. 1. Overall Size of Swath 2. Total area of 30" Amounts 3. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 4. Highest Totals (1888, 1993, and 1978 had 50" amounts) 5. How Major Cities were affected (30" amounts in the city of Boston in the Blizzard of 2015 are impressive) 6. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises (April Fool's Day in 1997 wins this since a 30" Snowstorm in April is Unreal. And 2015's Length was surprising.) 7. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 8. NESIS Scale 9. Length 10. Variety of Jackpot Zones (1993 was very impressive here) Impact on life can not count since we are Far better equipt to handle storms now, and predict them, which brings into a hole article someone could do Entitled "How bad would the Blizzard of 1978 be if it happened next weekend?". Also, it's just good or bad luck wen they happen, such as the Blizzard of 2006 being nothing since it occurred on a Sunday, even though it gave NYC 2 Feet which should have been paralyzing. Something that was done once by Dr. Zelinski, and needs to be examined more, are storms that missed us that WOULD have and SHOULD have been in the Top ranks. Just last season there were 2 storms with absolutely Incredible buzzsaws that missed us by 100-200 miles. What Nor'Easters just didn't get the spot right, and would be worthy of the pantheon? Great White Hurricane of 1888: 4th Place 6th. Overall Size of Swath 1st. Total area of 30" Amounts 3rd. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 1st. Highest Totals 4th. How Major Cities were affected 5th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 4th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 10th. NESIS Scale 8th. Length 6th. Variety of Jackpot Zones 100 Hour Storm of 1969: 8th Place 7th. Overall Size of Swath 2nd. Total area of 30" Amounts 12th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 6th. Highest Totals 12th. How Major Cities were affected 9th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 12th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 8th. NESIS Scale 1st. Length 7th. Variety of Jackpot Zones The "Great" Blizzard of 1978: 5th Place 5th. Overall Size of Swath 8th. Total area of 30" Amounts 1st. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 5th. Highest Totals 7th. How Major Cities were affected 6th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 5th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 6th. NESIS Scale 3rd. Length 8th. Variety of Jackpot Zones Superstorm of 1993: 1st Place 1st. Overall Size of Swath 5th. Total area of 30" Amounts 9th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 2nd. Highest Totals 2nd. How Major Cities were affected 3rd. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 8th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 1st. NESIS Scale 6th. Length 1st. Variety of Jackpot Zones The Blizzard of 1996: 2nd Place 2nd. Overall Size of Swath 4th. Total area of 30" Amounts 7th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 3rd. Highest Totals 3rd. How Major Cities were affected 4th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 9th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 2nd. NESIS Scale 7th. Length 2nd. Variety of Jackpot Zones April Fool's Day Blizzard of 1997: 10th Place 9th. Overall Size of Swath 10th. Total area of 30" Amounts 4th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 10th. Highest Totals 11th. How Major Cities were affected 1st. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 6th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 12th. NESIS Scale 12th. Length 11th. Variety of Jackpot Zones (Will Complete article in Next Post as too many pictures are here for 1 Post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 PDII Blizzard of 2003: 9th Place 3rd. Overall Size of Swath 9th. Total area of 30" Amounts 11th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 11th. Highest Totals 8th. How Major Cities were affected 11th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 10th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 4th. NESIS Scale 10th. Length 3rd. Variety of Jackpot Zones Blizzard of 2005: 11th Place 12th. Overall Size of Swath 11th. Total area of 30" Amounts 6th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 9th. Highest Totals 9th. How Major Cities were affected 10th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 11th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 5th. NESIS Scale 5th. Length 10th. Variety of Jackpot Zones Blizzard of 2006: 12th Place 8th. Overall Size of Swath 12th. Total area of 30" Amounts 10th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 12th. Highest Totals 10th. How Major Cities were affected 12th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 2nd. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 9th. NESIS Scale 11th. Length 9th. Variety of Jackpot Zones Duel Snowstorms of 2010: 3rd Place (Same As NESIS Scale in 3rd Place Actually) TOTAL: 4th. Overall Size of Swath 3rd. Total area of 30" Amounts 5th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 4th. Highest Totals 1st. How Major Cities were affected 2nd. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 7th. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 3rd. NESIS Scale 2nd. Length 12th. Variety of Jackpot Zones Blizzard of 2013: 6th Place Greatest Deformation Band EVER 10th. Overall Size of Swath 6th. Total area of 30" Amounts 2nd. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 8th. Highest Totals 6th. How Major Cities were affected 8th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 1st. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 7th. NESIS Scale 9th. Length 5th. Variety of Jackpot Zones Blizzard of 2015: 7th Place 11th. Overall Size of Swath 7th. Total area of 30" Amounts 8th. Intensity / Wind / Damage / Coastal Damage 7th. Highest Totals 5th. How Major Cities were affected 7th. Impressiveness of the system and Surprises 3rd. It's Deformation Band or "Death Band" 11th. NESIS Scale 4th. Length 4th. Variety of Jackpot Zones I will finish Ranking these in the morning from 1-12 in each category and get a Final Standing. I've already got the notes. Our Blizzard this week, Ranks 7th in my scale here. Ranking High in the Deformation Band, Length and Cities Categories. Ranking Poor on the NESIS scale and overall Swath. The Blizzard of 2013 2013 was slightly better in most categories, and I think that is right. Musically and Snowily - Cory Pesaturo "The Snowman" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 i wish i knew exactly what spfd had in 78, that 13 seems low even for here and folk around here talk about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Transplant Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I lived through them, and I just don't think it is fair to combine the two mid-Atlantic events in 2010. I'm sure some of these other storms had smaller storms within days that added to the weekly total. As the list stands now, these would absolutely trump any New England storm, with three major metros receiving 35-50". 93 was a different beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Oct 2011? For us the impact was about as bad as it gets.....9 days no power.....infrastructure damage from 12" heavy wet snow on fully leafed trees was tremendous..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Forgot about the octobomb. But looks good thanks for doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 2015 is low on the list of east coast blizzards because it really only hit New England with sizable totals...and LI.1993 is still the king even if the I-95 cities didn't get the max. Maybe 1996 if you need to insist on I-95 getting the jackpot.2010 can't hold up because the big one on feb 5-6 missed NYC. Nevermind BOS.This is if you are looking at these storms from a larger perspective. Of course, if you are only ranking them based on a more specific area that excludes some of the other major cities, then you can make different rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 1st place East Coast 93, New England 78, Connecticut 2013, RI 78, Mass 78, Maine 69, NH 69, VT every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 1st place East Coast 93, New England 78, Connecticut 2013, RI 78, Mass 78, Maine 69, NH 69, VT every year Lol, we wish. I've lived here for 40 years, since I was 7 years old, and I don't know if I have ever seen conditions that would officially qualify as "blizzard", i.e. winds of 35mph lasting for more than 3 hours. The best storm that I have seen is Valentine's Day 2007. 34" at my house and snow so deep our snowmobile club's groomer got stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The Blizzard of 2015 likely received the correct NESIS score. I did a report on the NESIS system in college and one of the main variables in the equation is population effected. The Blizzard of 2015 only really impacted one major metropolitan center. While storms such as March 1993, Jan 1996, Feb 2003, & Jan 2005 impacted more of the I-95 corridor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 they only had 14 to 15 inches in 78 here, thats pitiful....so maybe even if the low was captured farther west it wouldnt have made a difference.....so thats 78 05 and 15 that were all miller bs that had remarkable mins back this way....the more i look into this stuff the grimmer it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Oct 2011? For us the impact was about as bad as it gets.....9 days no power.....infrastructure damage from 12" heavy wet snow on fully leafed trees was tremendous..... I'll finish putting my ranking in today. It's already done on my computer. But I DID think about putting that one for the same reason as 97 - Impressiveness. A 2 Foot stormin Ovtober is obscene. But wasn't Big enough to really compete with 1993 and the likes of that calliber. Glad we all agree 1993 was #1 even though it sucked for us! And I DO feel that counting the two storms in 2010 is worthy since Paul himself did a NESIS Scale (I put there) of them as 1 storm. Has there ever been anything like that in history? 2 20" Storms with a 24 hour break? To The nine with the person with the naked eye, I'm sure they were very much the same storm to them, so..... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'll finish putting my ranking in today. It's already done on my computer. But I DID think about putting that one for the same reason as 97 - Impressiveness. A 2 Foot stormin Ovtober is obscene. But wasn't Big enough to really compete with 1993 and the likes of that calliber. Glad we all agree 1993 was #1 even though it sucked for us! And I DO feel that counting the two storms in 2010 is worthy since Paul himself did a NESIS Scale (I put there) of them as 1 storm. Has there ever been anything like that in history? 2 20" Storms with a 24 hour break? To The nine with the person with the naked eye, I'm sure they were very much the same storm to them, so..... . It was more like a 60-72 hour break between the two 2010 storms...the first was Feb 5-6 and the 2nd was Feb 9-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If one combines the two Feb '2010 storms, one might also combine the storms of Jan-Feb 1961, even though they were 2 weeks apart. The 1st storm (JFK inaugural) was followed by brutal cold, such that many places N and W of NYC had over 20" OG when the 2nd one added 20-30", also recording NYC's strongest ever winds in Feb. Snowpack reached 50" in NW NJ And adjacent NY, far above that in any other winter. I'd at least add Feb. 3-4, 1961 to the list. And while 1969 is probably the best Maine storm overall, it might depend on one's location - folks (older folks) from the PWM area might nominate Feb. 1952, and around BGR it would have to be New Year's Eve 1962. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesnichols89 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I would not be surprised if the storm on Monday February 2nd 2015 could be worse if it all comes together on the NESIS scale given potential for 10-14" in multiple metros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 NESIS is population and area-weighted, and this one didn't affect very many people. What's the minimum NESIS score to be considered a KU? I thought it was 3, and if NYC and PHL had gotten more it likely would have qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 NESIS is population and area-weighted, and this one didn't affect very many people. What's the minimum NESIS score to be considered a KU? I thought it was 3, and if NYC and PHL had gotten more it likely would have qualified. Kocin doesn't go strictly on NESIS score..he goes by where it happened too. Fore example, V-day 2007 is a NESIS 3 ranked almost exactly what Feb 1978 is...but since it did not really hit the I-95 cities (and instead was a crushing BTV-ALB-AVP storm)...he would classify that as a "near miss). He has Nesis category 1s in the KU book under the case studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 NESIS is population and area-weighted, and this one didn't affect very many people. What's the minimum NESIS score to be considered a KU? I thought it was 3, and if NYC and PHL had gotten more it likely would have qualified.yea what's 4.5 million people among friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 yea what's 4.5 million people among friends He was obviously talking relatively...it was a small population affected in this event compared to other KU events which is why it got the category 2...hell April 1997 was a category 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Feb 83 is also a good one. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/the-megalopolitan-blizzard-of-february-10-12-1983/2013/02/12/be05ae32-73a9-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I didn't realize they had already given the 2015 Blizzard a rating. Pretty quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I didn't realize they had already given the 2015 Blizzard a rating. Pretty quickwe definitely need a New England based system. could do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 we definitely need a New England based system. could do it Actually I was working on one when I first started talking with Paul, and then he told me about the NESIS scale and I went "Well if the God of US Snowstorms is doing one, I'll just stop right now. No point." Hahaha. But I feel (hence why I did this post) that more factors need to be put in place to get a Real feel for what was the Greatest storm or storms. 1997 deserves an Insane amount of praise regardless of its small area since we all know how hard it is to produce a Top 3 snowfall across an area in April. That's unprecedented. Where 1996 is just the King of Classic East Coast Blizzards because of the massive area it affected, but not out of the realm of possibility. 1997 and October 2011 were more out of the realm of possibility. And Yes I probably do need to add 1983. Just wasn't completely impressed with the 20" amounts (even if adding a lot). But I need to read up on that one more. I just see it as a poor mans 1996 or 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 having excessive snow in NYC or BWI is cool but we need a ranking system totally specific to New England, your parameters are good . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Putting the Blizzard of 2015 into Historical Context The recent “Blizzard of 2015” shutdown several major metropolitan areas in the Northeast and left several locations across Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and New York covered in over two feet of snow. But, how did this snowstorm compare to the region’s most historic storms? To place this storm and its societal impacts into historical context, NCDC used theRegional Snowfall Index or RSI to rank it on a scale from 1 to 5—similar to the Fujita scale for tornadoes or the Saffir-Simpson scale for hurricanes. These ranks are based on the snowfall amount within the region’s borders, the spatial extent of the storm, and the relationship of these elements to the area’s population. The RSI value for January 25–28, 2015, snowstorm is 6.16, which makes it a Category 3 or major event for the Northeast. With that RSI value, the snowstorm ranks 26th out of the 423 northeastern snowstorms NCDC has analyzed since 1900. The area of snowfall and population affected by 20 inches of snow or more were the primary drivers for this storm’s raw RSI score. Almost 5 million people experienced over 20 inches of snow and 15 million experienced over 10 inches of new snow. While these are significant impacts, the footprint of the heavy snow was relatively small compared to RSI Category 5 storms. These rare events typically have over 45 million people experiencing over 10 inches of snow. Nonetheless, this storm is well within the top 10% of storms analyzed for the Northeast. The late February snowstorm of 1969 remains the strongest storm to hit the Northeast, with an RSI value of 34.03 making it a Category 5 or extreme event. The March 1993 “Storm of the Century” remains the second strongest snowstorm to hit the Northeast, with an RSI value of 22.12 also making it a Category 5 event. Learn more about the Regional Snowfall Index and use our interactive mapping tool to see RSI rankings for almost 600 snowstorms since 1900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I would argue some of those NESIS maps are not accurate. I had over 20 inches on Long Island for the Blizzard of 96 and PD II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I would argue some of those NESIS maps are not accurate. I had over 20 inches on Long Island for the Blizzard of 96 and PD II. The NCDC NESIS maps have been discussed quite often within the various sub-forums. It's the methodology-- they don't use the regular spotter reports we'd see in the PNS's. Instead, only first order and COOP data are included. Kocin and Uccellini's own NESIS maps from Northeast Snowstorms were much more liberal, and probably closer to what people on here measured in the big ones. At least, though, the NCDC NESIS maps have the same conservative take on snowfall totals for almost all the storms that they ranked. So, it's not like one city's "big ones" get an inflated relative ranking to another city's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 we definitely need a New England based system. could do it Lyndon State has a Interior NE snow storm ranking: http://meteorology.lyndonstate.edu/projects/snowstorm/ Our geographic focus is on interior snow storms, or storms that generally bring heavysnow inland over parts of north and western Massachusetts, northern and central New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. We apologize to those of you interested in more coastal locations; however,about a third of our cases also have significant snowfall accumulations near the coast. An excellent reference for coastal storms is the authoritative book Northeast Snow Storms by Kocin and Uccellini (2004). The last one listed is from 07 so I don't know if it is an active list anymore. when posted it covered 77-07. Methodology is here: http://meteorology.lyndonstate.edu/projects/snowstorm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Lyndon State has a Interior NE snow storm ranking: http://meteorology.lyndonstate.edu/projects/snowstorm/ The last one listed is from 07 so I don't know if it is an active list anymore. when posted it covered 77-07. Methodology is here: http://meteorology.lyndonstate.edu/projects/snowstorm/ Cool site.. I've never seen it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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