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Feb 1st/2nd Threat - Banter Thread


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Perfect. It kills me how we go from lots of digital snow to no snow in one model cycle. We don't even get a slight tap to help ease the pain first but a full up walnut punch

True. Looking for some silver lining here. Really would like an early warm spring, but it may be just the opposite. Fyp.

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What a great weekend this was going to be. Super Bowl, cold snow followed by bitter cold. Now, naso much.

Kinda fitting that when we decided that we couldn't have fun with the storm, the storm became no fun. Perhaps we will get a chance to redeem ourselves.

 

I don't really care about the Super Bowl, but I was hoping that this storm would allow me to enjoy the game a lot more than I normally do.

 

Whatever.  I can't say that it's totally surprising, even if it is a shillelagh to the nethers.

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What actually makes this worse is that we now can't enjoy any model solutions greater than 24 hours. Tracking is fun and we all expect the occasional fail but if everything is a fail then we are just a bunch of mentally insane weather weenies who continually ram our heads against a wall waiting for something that know won't happen

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What actually makes this worse is that we now can't enjoy any model solutions greater than 24 hours. Tracking is fun and we all expect the occasional fail but if everything is a fail then we are just a bunch of mentally insane weather weenies who continually ram our heads against a wall waiting for something that know won't happen

I couldn't of said it better. In reality, what is the point at even watching model runs outside of 24 hours. They are wrong 99% of the time. Anyone can take a wild guess at what the weather will be like in 3 days. It's a shame we have another 6 weeks of this crud. I can't wait for spring this year. I'm over cold dry/warm wet.
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Would have been a cool storm. Models are TERRIBLE. Its pointless even looking at them.

I still think this could shift further north or south. Models are just so bad that anything is on the table 12 hours from the event.

To say that models are terrible is ignorant to the extreme.

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Pretty sure going from a 4-8" slider off the Mid-Atlantic coast to a 24-36" New England snow bomb is worse.

I understand the use of models, but the seasonal trend this year of completely different runs (that manage to always screw us over) makes this even a worse hobby then usual this year.

Back to being positive, all hail the CMC.

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This one stings a bit more than the miller A fail because we could see that was a bad set up.  It also stings more than the miller b fail because there was only 1 one run of the euro that ever gave us coastal love.  We had a nice solid consensus yesterday of UKMET/GGEM/GFS/EURO/NAM that fell apart in one cycle.  Hahahaha oh well we suck.

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So then should forecasters disregard them entirely? How would they have predicted Sandy and just about every hurricane that has made landfall?

 

Of course they are good reference on potential events. Obviously. But this is 2015 not 1960. I would think we could have the technology that yields better performance results at this point.

 

Maybe that is expecting too much? But when you have a model doing numerous  300 mile shifts with storms within a couple days of the event. To me that is unaccetable in 2015. To me that makes them TERRIBLE.

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Of course they are good reference on potential events. Obviously. But this is 2015 not 1960. I would think we could have the technology that yields better performance results at this point.

Maybe that is expecting too much? But when you have a model doing numerous 300 mile shifts with storms within a couple days of the event. To me that is unaccetable in 2015. To me that makes them TERRIBLE.

Without models of some kind, we'd be back in 1960. And yes, you're expecting way too much.

Have you ever contemplated this remark by Bob Ryan?

Imagine a rotating sphere that is 8,000 miles in diameter, with a bumpy surface, surrounded by a 25-mile-deep mixture of different gases whose concentrations vary both spatially and over time, and heated, along with its surrounding gases, by a nuclear reactor 93 million miles away. Imagine also that this sphere is revolving around the nuclear reactor and that some locations are heated more during parts of the revolution. And imagine that this mixture of gases receives continually inputs from the surface below, generally calmly but sometimes through violent and highly localized injections. Then, imagine that after watching the gaseous mixture you are expected to predict its state at one location on the sphere one, two, or more days into the future. This is essentially the task encountered day by day by a weather forecaster.

-Robert T. Ryan

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Without models of some kind, we'd be back in 1960. And yes, you're expecting way too much.

Have you ever contemplated this remark by Bob Ryan?

Imagine a rotating sphere that is 8,000 miles in diameter, with a bumpy surface, surrounded by a 25-mile-deep mixture of different gases whose concentrations vary both spatially and over time, and heated, along with its surrounding gases, by a nuclear reactor 93 million miles away. Imagine also that this sphere is revolving around the nuclear reactor and that some locations are heated more during parts of the revolution. And imagine that this mixture of gases receives continually inputs from the surface below, generally calmly but sometimes through violent and highly localized injections. Then, imagine that after watching the gaseous mixture you are expected to predict its state at one location on the sphere one, two, or more days into the future. This is essentially the task encountered day by day by a weather forecaster.

-Robert T. Ryan

This. Models are pretty amazing when you understand how and what goes into initializing a run and how minor pertubations affect the outcome. Then see how close they are accurately based on a global scale. People who say "models suck" are just ignorant to how they function. Ironically this mentality usually occurs when they don't get snow....otherwise models are F'ing great when they get crushed.

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