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Winter Med Range Discussion days 3-10 pbp II


buckeyefan1

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More 12z eps members are starting to show light snow around Arkansas northern miss and bama and tenn from the trailing energy

 

Just looking at that, the EPS hasn't hasn't had a consistent run yet for this potential.   But with that said, none of the changes have amounted to snow for NC/SC yet.

 

Edit:  Although I should admit, there are a few members that have very light snow across NC/SC.

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Just looking at that, the EPS hasn't hasn't had a consistent run yet for this potential. But with that said, none of the changes have amounted to snow for NC/SC yet.

Edit: Although I should admit, there are a few members that have very light snow across NC/SC.

Oh I agree 100% in no consistent run yet. I was taking a glance at the 12z eps and for the areas I mentioned there a few more members vs 00z showing something light

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Euro ensembles do show some members with a more westward dig to the Thursday system- I do think a minor T-1" snow like the GFS shows is not totally off the table, but more than that seems pretty unlikely. As far as the fantasy 9-10 day storm goes, all members show a digging trough, but a lot of spread, and the cold air looks marginal. I do think storm # 2 may have a bit more potential, especially since I will miss it.

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Oh I agree 100% in no consistent run yet. I was taking a glance at the 12z eps and for the areas I mentioned there a few more members vs 00z showing something light

Yep, plus there hasn't been a single event all winter modeled close to reality at this range. Doesn't mean it's got to change for the better though.

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Euro ensembles do show some members with a more westward dig to the Thursday system- I do think a minor T-1" snow like the GFS shows is not totally off the table, but more than that seems pretty unlikely. As far as the fantasy 9-10 day storm goes, all members show a digging trough, but a lot of spread, and the cold air looks marginal. I do think storm # 2 may have a bit more potential, especially since I will miss it.

March 93 redux?
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As you said, temperatures are too warm, but the 18z DGEX (extending off the NAM) does develop a nice coastal.  We really need it to slow down, though, and allow the cold air to work in.

 

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18z GFS just really put the hammer to it. Our coach has turned into a pumpkin. 

 

It was evident early our west coast ridge was going to get flattened, not even close to what happened at 0z/6z.   This happened early in the run too...

 

18z on top, 6z on bottom.

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The 12z EPS is really enthused about the D8-9 storm, so there's that. The beat goes on...

I agree but did you check out the 4-5 day one? If anyone has weatherbell go here: http://models.weatherbell.com/ecmwf/yeps_members.phpand click "+LOW LOCATIONS" compare the mean from 00z to 12z...that should tell you the OP runs of the GFS are silly little children and we need to wait for the king to speak tonight. What a trend in the right direction...such a tight cluster of 1002-1004ish lows at 96hrs below SC then a pretty tight cluster off of the NC coast at 102...this goose isn't cooked, but I will admit, the snowfall on the members is quite small T-1" ish on a lot of them, no big dogs like the 00z had, but the EPS mean is finding the system. Whether or not the cold will be there is another story, but I don't agree with the 18z GFS.

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I agree but did you check out the 4-5 day one? If anyone has weatherbell go here: http://models.weatherbell.com/ecmwf/yeps_members.phpand click "+LOW LOCATIONS" compare the mean from 00z to 12z...that should tell you the OP runs of the GFS are silly little children and we need to wait for the king to speak tonight. What a trend in the right direction...such a tight cluster of 1002-1004ish lows at 96hrs below SC then a pretty tight cluster off of the NC coast at 102...this goose isn't cooked, but I will admit, the snowfall on the members is quite small T-1" ish on a lot of them, no big dogs like the 00z had, but the EPS mean is finding the system. Whether or not the cold will be there is another story, but I don't agree with the 18z GFS.

 

Yeah, they do look better now that you mention it.  In addition, the Euro op did show a decent coastal, though a little too far out to sea.  Warmth is going to be an issue with any coastal we get, but I guess we might as well give it a shot.

 

EDIT: Yeah, they look a lot better.  The EPS basically had zero support for a coastal at 00z, but now there's strong support for one.  I'm just not sure if the coastal really has any potential to be cold enough at this point.

 

I'm not really enthused at the moment, but I'm not going to give up yet, either.

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