ChescoWx Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I went back and looked at the identified Miller B type storms as identified in the case studies in Northeast Snowstorms by Paul Kocin and Lou Uccelllini. I wanted to see how often these type of redevelop storms totally miss the western Philly burbs. I know many folks think these storms miss us quite often to the east/northeast. I can clearly remember the 12/30-31, 2000 storm waking up in Chester County and watching heavy snow in downtown Philly while where I was it was partly sunny. That one is the last in the list. I don't have Philadelphia's totals for these handy but I may add those later in case someone else has them. I would imagine Philly should have recorded more snow in many of these events. ( I also added the Feb 2010 and Boxing day 2010 storms to the list) Below are the storms and the recorded snowfall recorded by the NWS observer in Coatesville PA March 18-20, 1956 - 10.0" March 2-5, 1960 - 8.5" December 10-13, 1960 - 9.0" February 2-5, 1961 - 13.1" February 11-14, 1964 - 9.0" February 8-10, 1969 - 2.1" February 5-7, 1978 - 14.3" April 5-7, 1982 - 3.4" February 18-20, 1979 - 15.2" February 8-11, 1994 - 8.6" February 3-4, 1995 - 10.5" March 31/April 1st, 1997 - 13.7" December 30/31, 2000 - 0.7" February 5/6, 2010 - 18.3" December 26/27, 2010 - 7.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDoppler Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'll chime in on what I remember up here in eastern Berks. (I grew up 1 mile from where I live, southeast of here 1 mile and 80 feet lower lol) Before 1980 is too foggy to me, so I'll pass on the late 70's storms. (77-78 was a very snowy winter but a particular storm, nope can't remember) April 1982 we had "about a foot" here. (I was a kid but definitely much more than 3.4"!!) February 11, 1994 was 9" here. February 1995 was 8" here. April 1 1997 was over a foot.......too drifty for exact measurement but pretty much what Coatsville had. Dec 31, 2000 3~4" (too disgusted to measure lol.....but it was at least 3 and no more than 4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Interesting stats, Paul. Thanks for posting. I remember a storm, Feb 1989 I think, we were under a wsw here in SEPA. Woke up that morning to sun as the storm developed too far east. The jersey shore got a foot+, but I don't recall if that set up was a Miller B or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Let's not forget 2/9/13 that was a HUGE disaster and very similar to the current one. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/2013/us0209.php The ECM had me at 12" one cycle before the storm, I received roughly 3" and NYC blizzard. Will never forget it. Miller B's have a propensity to crush all hopes and dreams on the west and south flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Feb 5/6 2010 was most certainly not the Miller B we are talking about. That one was way south. I went back and looked at the identified Miller B type storms as identified in the case studies in Northeast Snowstorms by Paul Kocin and Lou Uccelllini. I wanted to see how often these type of redevelop storms totally miss the western Philly burbs. I know many folks think these storms miss us quite often to the east/northeast. I can clearly remember the 12/30-31, 2000 storm waking up in Chester County and watching heavy snow in downtown Philly while where I was it was partly sunny. That one is the last in the list. I don't have Philadelphia's totals for these handy but I may add those later in case someone else has them. I would imagine Philly should have recorded more snow in many of these events. ( I also added the Feb 2010 and Boxing day 2010 storms to the list) Below are the storms and the recorded snowfall recorded by the NWS observer in Coatesville PA March 18-20, 1956 - 10.0" March 2-5, 1960 - 8.5" December 10-13, 1960 - 9.0" February 2-5, 1961 - 13.1" February 11-14, 1964 - 9.0" February 8-10, 1969 - 2.1" February 5-7, 1978 - 14.3" April 5-7, 1982 - 3.4" February 18-20, 1979 - 15.2" February 8-11, 1994 - 8.6" February 3-4, 1995 - 10.5" March 31/April 1st, 1997 - 13.7" December 30/31, 2000 - 0.7" February 5/6, 2010 - 18.3" December 26/27, 2010 - 7.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesis Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have all my data at work but I'm curious to see what Miller B's have had a 10 inch or more spread in and around Philadelphia with a positive NAO and AO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDoppler Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Feb 5/6 2010 was most certainly not the Miller B we are talking about. That one was way south. Yeah the 5/6th was suppressed to the south. I had 11" and ABE had like 8". The one I was speaking of reached well up into the Poconos. It was also a warmer/wetter storm. When he updates it to the 10th I'll edit my post to include it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluescat1 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The biggest Miller B bust of all times THE 5-7 MARCH 2001 (NO-SHOW) SNOWSTORM This storm was notable due to the public reaction--and even outrage--that resulted from the botched forecasts. Computer models on Friday, March 2, were suggesting that near blizzard conditions would develop from VA to Southern New England. NOAA's HPC (Hydrometeorological Prediction Center) said: THERE MAY BE BEACH EROSION AND COASTAL FLOODING ... ALONG WITH WINDS EXCEEDING GALE FORCE ALONG THE IMMEDIATE COAST. FARTHER INLAND ... MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW FROM VA THRU THE SOUTHERN HALF OF NEW ENGLAND. LOW WIND CHILLS WITH TEMPS GENERALLY IN THE HIGH TEENS TO MID 20S. THERE COULD EVEN BE THUNDERSNOW. SNOW ACCUMULATIONS MAY EXCEED A FOOT FROM NORTHERN AND CENTRAL VIRGINIA NORTHEASTWARD THRU THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violentweatherfan Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Berks Winter cast had a nice Miller B webpage at one time. Google'd it but it's nothing but pop ups, great site for miller b storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violentweatherfan Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/1415-miller-a-vs-miller-b/ Great reference right under our nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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