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February mid to long range threats discussion


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And, even if it did have support from the ensembles, it wouldn't matter. We need to get within 48-60 hours this season before really getting a good feel for what's going to happen, model agreement be damned.

True, the euro ens mean gives it support but has the temps a tad warm for snow but it has a good track with an amorphous low so that probably is because of the spread of members tothe north.  It suggest a period to watch but like all this year,  a pattern that is less than perfect so getting a the right track is imperative.   Of course at 10 days the idea of a storm still could be fiction. 

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The Day 9 storm doesn't have a lot of support from the GEFS ensembes other than there will be some type of shortwave approaching the coast day 9 or 10 but only one member has a trough as strong as the Euro and it has a more northerly low look.  Day 9 snowstorms are sort of like Redskin off season moves, they look good at first glance but rarely ever produce.

 

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True, the euro ens mean gives it support but has the temps a tad warm for snow but it has a good track with an amorphous low so that probably is because of the spread of members tothe north. It suggest a period to watch but like all this year, a pattern that is less than perfect so getting a the right track is imperative. Of course at 10 days the idea of a storm still could be fiction.

I'm not reaching for the rope or anything, but this whole winter has been really frustrating. Even when things look good at relatively reasonable ranges, we can't rely on the outputs down here.

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An interesting thing about the AO/NAO right now is the ops are definitely trending towards it holding longer as we move forward in time. You can see on the gfs multi run plots. Euro op has been doing the same thing. Pushing any spike to + out in time.

 

Ensembles are starting to move in that direction. Especially the GEFS. So what first looked like a hit and run -ao is changing. Not too long ago ensembles were honking a massive consolidated vortex and raging +ao/nao again. That idea seems to have just about completely gone away. I'm not sold that we go back to a +ao and hold. Could be happening the other way. 

 

What it means for us has yet to be seen. I'm with everyone else. I really don't care what models are showing beyond 4 days. Yea, it's nice to see things but even when they happen, results end up much different as we move in. I don't think next week is dead at all. We just have no way of knowing how things will evolve. I'd actually prefer a surprise short lead storm at this point. I'm probably not alone on that either. lol

 

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An interesting thing about the AO/NAO right now is the ops are definitely trending towards it holding longer as we move forward in time. You can see on the gfs multi run plots. Euro op has been doing the same thing. Pushing any spike to + out in time.

 

Ensembles are starting to move in that direction. Especially the GEFS. So what first looked like a hit and run -ao is changing. Not too long ago ensembles were honking a massive consolidated vortex and raging +ao/nao again. That idea seems to have just about completely gone away. I'm not sold that we go back to a +ao and hold. Could be happening the other way. 

 

What it means for us has yet to be seen. I'm with everyone else. I really don't care what models are showing beyond 4 days. Yea, it's nice to see things but even when they happen, results end up much different as we move in. I don't think next week is dead at all. We just have no way of knowing how things will evolve. I'd actually prefer a surprise short lead storm at this point. I'm probably not alone on that either. lol

 

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Pretty much agree with everything in this post, esp the last part.

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An interesting thing about the AO/NAO right now is the ops are definitely trending towards it holding longer as we move forward in time. You can see on the gfs multi run plots. Euro op has been doing the same thing. Pushing any spike to + out in time.

 

Ensembles are starting to move in that direction. Especially the GEFS. So what first looked like a hit and run -ao is changing. Not too long ago ensembles were honking a massive consolidated vortex and raging +ao/nao again. That idea seems to have just about completely gone away. I'm not sold that we go back to a +ao and hold. Could be happening the other way. 

 

What it means for us has yet to be seen. I'm with everyone else. I really don't care what models are showing beyond 4 days. Yea, it's nice to see things but even when they happen, results end up much different as we move in. I don't think next week is dead at all. We just have no way of knowing how things will evolve. I'd actually prefer a surprise short lead storm at this point. I'm probably not alone on that either. lol

 

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Best news all week

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An interesting thing about the AO/NAO right now is the ops are definitely trending towards it holding longer as we move forward in time. You can see on the gfs multi run plots. Euro op has been doing the same thing. Pushing any spike to + out in time.

Ensembles are starting to move in that direction. Especially the GEFS. So what first looked like a hit and run -ao is changing. Not too long ago ensembles were honking a massive consolidated vortex and raging +ao/nao again. That idea seems to have just about completely gone away. I'm not sold that we go back to a +ao and hold. Could be happening the other way.

What it means for us has yet to be seen. I'm with everyone else. I really don't care what models are showing beyond 4 days. Yea, it's nice to see things but even when they happen, results end up much different as we move in. I don't think next week is dead at all. We just have no way of knowing how things will evolve. I'd actually prefer a surprise short lead storm at this point. I'm probably not alone on that either. lol

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This has lifted my spirits. Thank you Mr. Chill

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It is interesting to watch the -NAO in particular as it seems to be wanting to keep regenerating after it shows up. GFS ens actually get it to be west based (tho minor so maybe not true -NAO) by the end of the run after a brief relaxation.  Euro not so much though it pulsates there off and on too thruout.

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I was snowed in for almost a week in Boone NC during March '93.  Best time of my life despite lack of groceries and power.

You never know - we could see another Cat5 snowstorm in our lifetimes!

 

 

March 1993 was the most dynamic snowstorm I've ever seen.  Granted it was a once in a lifetime storm, but March snowstorms can be fun, unless you are looking for it to stick around for 2 weeks. 

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This reminds me a bit of 1993. I was living in Ontario then, can recall February was almost non-stop very cold with weak systems racing south, then a large high built up near end of the month and that east coast blizzard developed in March.

 

Maybe something along those lines will be in the future.

 

With the sort of snow pack building up over the inland northeast, when the right time comes, the dynamics should be great for your turn.

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