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January Med/Long Range Disco Part 2


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Doesnt look like enough cold air in place to me..its essentially a low on the front, 9 out of 10 times we dry out before being cold enough...if we get any precipitation

yep. this is about the worst setup I can think of...do we EVER get wrap-around after the front passes and the low juices up as it runs up the coast? it seems like models consistently overstate wrap-around and post-cold front snow

 

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PARA is fine. It's over. Euro will follow suit in an hour I have not doubt. Its just not our year.

That is exactly right and I just don't see this turning around in our favor. It's tough to get drilled one winter and have another active season immediately following it...especially in the Middle Atlantic. Not that it can't happen...it's just not as likely. We are in the peak of our season now and for the next few weeks. If we don't get a solid event here by mid-late Feb it's pretty well done.

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Believing day 10+ model runs to the point of posting 850 temps? Talking about setting yourself up for disappointment. 

 

The seasonal pattern has been consistent and probably your best bet when guessing a day 10 forecast.

 

This post is spot on.

 

The pattern of the winter is evident so far.  If there's any high pressure around, systems are weak and can't gain latitude.  If there's no high, it warms slightly, the storms are still weak, and they can gain a bit of latitude.

 

The models beyond about a week haven't been good.  There is really little point in looking at models beyond day 10.

 

Why people are upset baffles me.  The winter has been very consistent.

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I'm calling it now, the GFS dominace this winter has ended, the Euro is starting to take the game back over.  It just scored a win on this weekend's system up in New England with most 12Z models moving towards it.  I think the shift in the PNA and AO and some recent changes to the PV may have kicked the GFS back into crap mode and its now struggling with everything. 

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I'm calling it now, the GFS dominace this winter has ended, the Euro is starting to take the game back over.  It just scored a win on this weekend's system up in New England with most 12Z models moving towards it.  I think the shift in the PNA and AO and some recent changes to the PV may have kicked the GFS back into crap mode and its now struggling with everything. 

we will get to test this in about an hour to see what it does late next week...or at least where its headed 

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I'm calling it now, the GFS dominace this winter has ended, the Euro is starting to take the game back over.  It just scored a win on this weekend's system up in New England with most 12Z models moving towards it.  I think the shift in the PNA and AO and some recent changes to the PV may have kicked the GFS back into crap mode and its now struggling with everything. 

In fairness though, the EURO did have a massive cutter for next weekend just about 36 hours ago. At least the GFS has been fairly consistently either on or off the coast

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In fairness though, the EURO did have a massive cutter for next weekend just about 36 hours ago. At least the GFS has been fairly consistently either on or off the coast

 

The evolution of the 12z GFS model at 500mb out west shows anything but consistency with it's previous runs.  Not saying we toss it, but that has to count for something in forecasting.  For sensible weather, it means 30's versus 50's on the 24th.

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I only count two major winter storms at 180 from this post... I am guessing a few others would prob show up at 192-204 time period

 

Yeah, not as consistent looking like they were the other day.  But almost all of the members still have good moisture down in the Gulf.  It appears to be a difference in timing just looking at this one snapshot; not sure where the ones "farther behind" would end up.

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Yeah, not as consistent looking like they were the other day.  But almost all of the members still have good moisture down in the Gulf.  It appears to be a difference in timing just looking at this one snapshot; not sure where the ones "farther behind" would end up.

 

We will have to guess to see what the ones "farther behind" would do as PSU only goes out to 180

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We will have to guess to see what the ones "farther behind" would do as PSU only goes out to 180

 

PSU goes to 384 but in 12 hour instead of 6 hour panels. The short story is 2 direct hit coastals, 1 near miss, 1 rain to snow, 1 clipper redeveloper, and the rest south. The op was by far the most suppressed. 

 

6z only had 1 good solution some rainers and some whiffs. 12z gefs was an improvement from 6z. Anything is possible. 

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Here is 192 from a different viewpoint:

 

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Interesting.  Maybe another couple of "hits" flipping between those two periods?  The lower right one (p010) caught my eye for some weird reason.  Looks kind of interesting in a way...like a clipper that gives us something with some very cold air.

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So far, 192 LOOKS good... Ian/Bob, is 198 and 204 good?

it dosent really matter.....whether it looks good or not because it will change. I have seen this before where the 12z and the 0z euro act like 2 completely different models.

Once we get under 132 hours...thats when the euro starts to lock in some

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