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January Med/Long Range Disco Part 2


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if we have a clipper to track every 3 days and a reasonable shot at each producing, I really don't care about a HECS

plus, if a HECS comes through, it usually signals or causes a disruption in the pattern, and I'd hate to see the winter parade end anytime soon

Euro has a small but cold event overnight Thursday.

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00z GFS showing an apps runner for next Monday storm.....18z showed suppression city. Models don't have a clue right now. Anything is on the table.

 

Yeah, strange development.  It's kind of a hybrid between an apps runner and something a bit farther east of that, and looks like a fair bit of precip falls here after temps crash.  I know, going into details of a 200 hour model simulation and all that!  So I guess the take-away is that it's the same kind of signal for that same time period around Feb. 2.  Whatever it's worth, overall cold-looking pattern sticks around through the end of the run.

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Yeah, strange development.  It's kind of a hybrid between an apps runner and something a bit farther east of that, and looks like a fair bit of precip falls here after temps crash.  I know, going into details of a 200 hour model simulation and all that!  So I guess the take-away is that it's the same kind of signal for that same time period around Feb. 2.  Whatever it's worth, overall cold-looking pattern sticks around through the end of the run.

Yeah it looks like a huge flow of moisture getting caught up in the frontal passage. There is definitely a lot to work with and plenty of time for something more to develop.

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00z GFS showing an apps runner for next Monday storm.....18z showed suppression city. Models don't have a clue right now. Anything is on the table.

Yes but it seems to end up with a tell me everything give me nothing pattern. I mean this Miller A should have delivered for most of us in January but didn't....it looked like it might. Now next weekend doesn't look that promising either and I would have thought by that time a real threat would emerge. So we will see I guess but not excited yet

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I'm going by the Mitch rule for the late week event. It's going to trend south.

Every previous clipper has looked north on guidance at D5+ range and trended south.  Ride the seasonal trend. 

 

GroundHECS day looks really nice on the GFS.  I like the long period of overrunning in advance of the main storm. 

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Every previous clipper has looked north on guidance at D5+ range and trended south.  Ride the seasonal trend. 

 

GroundHECS day looks really nice on the GFS.  I like the long period of overrunning in advance of the main storm. 

True,  Today's D+11  superensemble mean shows a negative NAO and cross polar flow but if you look at the CPC ensemble forecasts of the NOA,  it's forecast to remain positive during that same 5 dayss by all the ensemble they show.  I don't get it. 

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True,  Today's D+11  superensemble mean shows a negative NAO and cross polar flow but if you look at the CPC ensemble forecasts of the NOA,  it's forecast to remain positive during that same 5 dayss by all the ensemble they show.  I don't get it. 

Both the D8 and D11 means look lovely.  Not the first time we've seen great looks at those leads this year, so I'm tempering my hopes, but those patterns have lots of potential for big storms if they came to fruition.

 

Not sure about the ensembles disagreeing with those.  That is odd. 

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True, Today's D+11 superensemble mean shows a negative NAO and cross polar flow but if you look at the CPC ensemble forecasts of the NOA, it's forecast to remain positive during that same 5 dayss by all the ensemble they show. I don't get it.

Wxbell graphs show both the euro ens and gefs having a -ao/nao combo from about the 30th through the 5th give or take from the 0z suite.

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The GEFS ensemble mean has it tracking across WV and across VA so that's probably got a 50% chance of happening. Haven't looked at the Euro low position graphic for the event. I've become a fan of it.

Not a very strong signal on the euro but mean track is oh-pa-long island. It's been an awful tough med-short lead year so worrying about what ops are showing is probably not the best course. These northern stream events seem to only come into decent focus inside of 72.

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Well, 00Z GFS didn't look encouraging for the early February period. I know the potential event around that time is still way out there, and specific solutions have changed several times. So it didn't too much surprise me to see a northern stream event this time around (or so it appeared). However, what caught my eye is that the cold dropping down is much less emphatic or more shunted away. Those previously big highs poised in Canada that move in are significantly weaker looking in the 00Z run.  It still gets cold, but not nearly the extent that has been shown.  Could be a blip, but it's a bit disconcerting too. Regardless of the evolution of whatever storm happens, that cold air has been the one very consistent feature.

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LR on the OP GFS looks like a repeat of the same miserable pattern. aside from these storm threat distractions which really are not amounting to much since we can't seem to be cold at the right time, I don't see where the pattern for us is that good or will deliver anything down the road. And now we are getting into Feb.

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I'm going by the Mitch rule for the late week event. It's going to trend south.

 

Nostradamus you are

 

It already has started too on the GFS and probably will, and this is why I am ignoring people freaking out about the day 7-10 period.  Models cant figure tomorrow out and we are worried about a week away? 

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Nostradamus you are

 

It already has started too on the GFS and probably will, and this is why I am ignoring people freaking out about the day 7-10 period.  Models cant figure tomorrow out and we are worried about a week away? 

 

Yes, models have certainly had a tough time.  I'll admit to the weenie side of me "freaking out" somewhat only because for awhile it's looked pretty consistent and that period has been honked for some time now (in terms of the flow and amount of incoming cold).  Then the last couple of GFS runs backed off a fair bit on that (including the event in that time frame).  But those are single deterministic runs and it's still a bit of a ways out.

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