H2O Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 I dunno.. add in the state of metro we're pretty much a third world city now. Trolleys are the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaETC Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I dunno.. add in the state of metro we're pretty much a third world city now. True. Metro is just flat out embarrassing. If Seoul has a first-class system, why can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Awesome post by Ji earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I totally agree. I've got snow on the ground, temp of 18 and have seen totally frozen lakes today. Seems pretty good to me. Chasing big events will leave you bummed out most of the time. I'm just happy we have snow. I'm not expecting a MECS or anything like that, but an area-wide warning criteria storm would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Coming from a place that didn't have a metro, I'm not sure how I am supposed to feel.I've often thought its overblown but the system is pretty taxed and not getting enough money. Without something changing at some pt it'll be a real problem if not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailylurker Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm not expecting a MECS or anything like that, but an area-wide warning criteria storm would be nice. Definitely would be. Plenty of winter left my friend. 10 days ago January looked like a lost cause. We got a nice little event followed by some legit cold. Next week has potential as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 USOC selected Boston to be the US city to bid for the '24 games. I hope Boston gets to host the summer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Isn't a region wide warning event the definition of a MECS? Not from my understanding... that would be a SECS. Even a 4-6" storm qualifies as warning and a few lucky areas got those totals the other day. MECS would be widespread double digit totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Isn't a region wide warning event the definition of a MECS? The cost of riding is absolutely absurd. I can't understand why a smaller system in a warmer location (generally) costs so much to maintain when NYC has been working with flat fares for as long as it has. I don't understand how the WMATA is so inept at maintaining a metro system considering the funding they receive and the high fares they charge. Personnel costs are projected to be $1.3 billion in Metro's latest budget forecast for FY16, of a total expenditure budget forecast of $1.8 billion. I don't know anything about mass transit budgets, but that seems like an awfully high proportion of your budget to spend on personnel costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clueless Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Shorthand on medium-long range discussion? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Shorthand on medium-long range discussion? Anyone? Certain poster misunderstands every post and calls for early spring and that's not good posts... Is soon corrected by the original poster but he still doesn't get it. Certain poster prepping winters time of death based on incorrect reading of tonight's 0z model runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Certain poster misunderstands every post and calls for early spring and that's not good posts... Is soon corrected by the original poster but he still doesn't get it. Certain poster prepping winters time of death based on incorrect reading of tonight's 0z model runs Looks like we found a new job for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't ride metro that often, but when I have I've noticed far too many problems. And yes, it is kind of ridiculous how expensive it is. At least DC has street cars up and running. Just watch out if you have your own car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clueless Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Certain poster misunderstands every post and calls for early spring and that's not good posts... Is soon corrected by the original poster but he still doesn't get it. Certain poster prepping winters time of death based on incorrect reading of tonight's 0z model runs Yup. Time for bed. See what the next lollies the models bring in the am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't ride metro that often, but when I have I've noticed far too many problems. And yes, it is kind of ridiculous how expensive it is. At least DC has street cars up and running. Just watch out if you have your own car Thankfully Arlington gave up on that boondoggle of adding streetcars on Columbia Pike. DC is still testing their streetcar (after what seems like forever) and still getting into accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxdude64 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Looks like we found a new job for you. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 My bar is different it seems...Keep in mind that my scale has been adjusted for MA (DC) climo... (Just talking snow) Stat Padder-- .10-2 inches, could be localized or not SECS--2-4 inches over the majority of the region MECS--Warning level event that mostly verifies over MA region HECS--Storm that breaks records (Top 15) in the region, or a storm challenges records along most of the east coast BECS--Storm that breaks an all time record, or has a 100+ year return time in my location This region does surprisingly well with very big storms... maybe not DCA due to its awful location (though even DC's top 10 is quite respectable when compared to many Midwest cities that have much colder winters), but IAD and BWI have had a good number of 18"+ storms.... all of Baltimore's top 10 storms had 18"+, and IAD has only had fewer because its records only go back 50 years... but it averages one per decade. If you live near Silver Spring at 400'+, then your climo probably has more in common with IAD than DCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 SECS is definitely more than 2-4 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Maybe in for those in the burbs, but not in a city that can go two years without a two inch snowfall. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/washington-dc-in-longest-drought-without-a-2-inch-or-greater-snowfall-event/2013/01/03/38c6a4c0-548b-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_blog.html Good stuff The whole point of that article was that it was a historic 2" drought, not anything close to the norm for DC. So, 2" is nothing significant for this city as a whole. I think you may be forgetting what the "EC" in "SECS" stands for.... For any localized region, I think one would be better off just sticking to terms like "moderate" or "major" or "historic" snowstorm. That definition changes depending on where you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I always thought of an SECS as 4-8". MECS as a 6-12" type storm. 9 of BWIs top 10 are >20". #10 is 19.5". 9 of the top 20 have occurred in the most recent 30 years. Only 3 of them are pre-1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Maybe in for those in the burbs, but not in a city that can go two years without a two inch snowfall. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/washington-dc-in-longest-drought-without-a-2-inch-or-greater-snowfall-event/2013/01/03/38c6a4c0-548b-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_blog.html Good stuff 2" is a decent snow here I think.. We need them most years to get to anything respectable but it's like an avg low to mod event in the area overall probably. SECS prob warning criteria at least and as gymengineer notes it should generally have a larger regional scope. This area is kinda weird when it comes to snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The rough 11-12/12-13 stretch made it seem significant, but its really not. I grew up in Baltimore and have bounced around the MA area. I've seen more 2" snowfalls than I can possibly remember. If the "storm" on Tuesday had come overnight or on the weekend, it wouldn't have been nearly as significant. It was a case of perfect timing to cause chaos on the roads. Maybe I moved here at the wrong time (toward the end of the drought), but I feel like my experience is that 2 inches is significant here in the cities. Again, out NW, absolutely not, but inside the beltway I think it is. As for the EC--that's a good point, there aren't many if we're expanding like that. I used to care about the broader impact and still do to an extent, but after "being around" Matt, f*** everybody else, I care about MBY totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I always thought of an SECS as 4-8". MECS as a 6-12" type storm. 9 of BWIs top 10 are >20". #10 is 19.5". 9 of the top 20 have occurred in the most recent 30 years. Only 3 of them are pre-1950. After 12/09 was officially dropped down to 18.0", the 19.5" February blizzard was bumped up to #9, with 12/09 slipping to #10. Your definition of MECS also leaves a big jump to a HECS. What about the storms between 12 and 18" ? Was 2/13 from last season a MECS or a HECS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 DCA, BWI and IAD all avg > 5 days per year with > 1" snow. and >3 days with >2" snow. Anything above 4"...especially for DCA.....isn't nearly as common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 After 12/09 was officially dropped down to 18.0", the 19.5" February blizzard was bumped up to #9, with 12/09 slipping to #10. Your definition of MECS also leaves a big jump to a HECS. What about the storms between 12 and 18" ? Was 2/13 from last season a MECS or a HECS? Thanks for the correction. Not sure how I missed that. Good point on the scale. I think 4" is a good low number for SECS. Maybe the SECS is 4-8", MECS is 8-14" and HECS is >14? I'm not sure there's a point in recognizing BECS. HECS is historical for a reason. And for most places around here, anything above 14" is gonna be a top 20 storm. Maybe that's too loose of criteria for an HECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 2" is a decent snow here I think.. We need them most years to get to anything respectable but it's like an avg low to mod event in the area overall probably. SECS prob warning criteria at least and as gymengineer notes it should generally have a larger regional scope. This area is kinda weird when it comes to snow. The lines are definitely blurred however for any area that averages at least 15 inches per year I think a storm has to yield a minimum of 4 inches to be considered significant. I feel like a 2-4 event is a low end or borderline moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I posted that after. Right. But what I'm saying is, it clearly wasn't targeted at you or the content you posted since that subsequent post was allowed to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Thanks for the correction. Not sure how I missed that. Good point on the scale. I think 4" is a good low number for SECS. Maybe the SECS is 4-8", MECS is 8-14" and HECS is >14? I'm not sure there's a point in recognizing BECS. HECS is historical for a reason. And for most places around here, anything above 14" is gonna be a top 20 storm. Maybe that's too loose of criteria for an HECS. I kinda like the numbers you came up with for each category. A HECS in my opinion is harder to define than the other two. I have always used 4-8 to define a SECS. As far as a MECS goes there needs to be a widespread storm average in the region of 8-12 inches. So for instance if you took the storm totals from 20 sites over a 50 mile radius and came up with an average of say 10.5 that would meet the MECS definition. I'm sure others would view it differently because there is so much room open for interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnis Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I kinda like the numbers you came up with for each category. A HECS in my opinion is harder to define than the other two. I have always used 4-8 to define a SECS. As far as a MECS goes there needs to be a widespread storm average in the region of 8-12 inches. So for instance if you took the storm totals from 20 sites over a 50 mile radius and came up with an average of say 10.5 that would meet the MECS definition. I'm sure others would view it differently because there is so much room open for interpretation. DT used to have a clear delineation of the SECS, MECS, etc... on his website many years ago. I don't know if he established his own criteria or if he was drawing from some other source. Perhaps he could chime in a some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Another thing about our storms is staying power. A 6" front end dump that turns to slush and mud shortly after it shuts off is not nearly as attractive as what we just experienced. To have 2-4" of dry powder 3 days after it falls is pretty special in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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