Kay Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I missed 15 pages of the clipper thread since last night! Dang. Loving the gifs. giphy (1).gif RERUN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocaps Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 5. No, not inches of snow. 5 hours to go from Charles Town to Herndon this morning. Took 2.5 hours to go 4 miles on Rt. 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Someone start a Winter 14-15 Photo thread? Would folks freak out or are we beyond the jinx point? Time for pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceFrederickWx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 anyone know how central calvert county fared? I said in the main thread, we got about 0.1" mostly in grassy areas. Total fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just saw this on Twitter B6rT-aiIIAAor57.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACFD FIREMAN Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just got this email from the Arlington County Manager.....just blames the weather forecasters :axe: : Memo from County Manager Barbara M. Donnellan As is probably now clear to you all, the weather forecasts for today’s snow event got it wrong. We knew yesterday that there would be snow falling this morning. It was predicted to be a minor snow event. We pre-treated the roads in anticipation of less than an inch of snow falling this morning. What was expected to be pretty much a non-event here has turned into a bigger deal, with more snow, coupled with icy conditions, causing hazardous road conditions across the region. By 9:50 a.m., Arlington had 2.6 inches of snow -- and it was still falling. The outer suburbs were hit harder. I reevaluated the situation this morning, based on the changing conditions, and by 7:50 a.m., we had a message out to all employees that the County would open on time, with unscheduled leave. I am sorry that the shifting weather conditions made it difficult to make that decision sooner. Our crews – and the crews of every jurisdiction across the Metro Region – are working hard to clear the roads. Stay safe out there, Barbara Donnellan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Anne Arundel Public Schools Spokesman explaining why they opened on time. https://soundcloud.com/wbalradio/bob-mosier-defends-decision-to-have-aa-co-schools-open-on-time-335mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just got this email from the Arlington County Manager.....just blames the weather forecasters :axe: : Memo from County Manager Barbara M. Donnellan As is probably now clear to you all, the weather forecasts for today’s snow event got it wrong. We knew yesterday that there would be snow falling this morning. It was predicted to be a minor snow event. We pre-treated the roads in anticipation of less than an inch of snow falling this morning. What was expected to be pretty much a non-event here has turned into a bigger deal, with more snow, coupled with icy conditions, causing hazardous road conditions across the region. By 9:50 a.m., Arlington had 2.6 inches of snow -- and it was still falling. The outer suburbs were hit harder. I reevaluated the situation this morning, based on the changing conditions, and by 7:50 a.m., we had a message out to all employees that the County would open on time, with unscheduled leave. I am sorry that the shifting weather conditions made it difficult to make that decision sooner. Our crews – and the crews of every jurisdiction across the Metro Region – are working hard to clear the roads. Stay safe out there, Barbara Donnellan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 My 2 p.m. conference call has been canceled. Too much snow makes phone dangerous. Not complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Glad to see those around DC get a decent snow. This really over performed for the region considering for a time it looked like nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 My 2 p.m. conference call has been canceled. Too much snow makes phone dangerous. Not complaining. You should take a few pictures of the inlet there and start a winter photo thread. Then you can give us ice updates daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Time to give the GFS some credit. It was on this event for a while and by a while I mean a little more than 3 days. I just noticed that you went to defcon 2. I'm still at 4. Another event and I'd feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The weird thing about the AA super's take, and the others who didn't close, was that the real failure was not posting a 2-hour delay and then monitoring. What's so hard about that? Given that snow had started by 6 am most places and was sticking, put in a 2-hour delay and buy yourself some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 A nice overperformer, the coming cold, and signals for another event this weekend/next week keep us in the safe category for now...days and days of snow cover Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The best thing about the clipper is that it was a high quality event-- cold ground, stuck everywhere, etc. During the most dismal winters we've endured recently, we don't even get that one high quality event. So I'm kind of hopeful that we're not one-and-done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This is exactly the procedure Frederick Co. schools took and it worked very well. They made the 2-hr late start at 5am and then told everyone that at 7am they would re-evaluate. At 7 on the dot we were all alerted to the closing. Did they actually put out some sort of statement last night? If so, that's perfect. I think some of the frustration that parents, employees, and even students feel is that there isn't any communication of what the decision makers are thinking as they go about the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The weird thing about the AA super's take, and the others who didn't close, was that the real failure was not posting a 2-hour delay and then monitoring. What's so hard about that? Given that snow had started by 6 am most places and was sticking, put in a 2-hour delay and buy yourself some time. they did the same thing during last years ice storm. huge debacle of not even going 2-hours late before making another call. the school system better hope that the kids who were in an accident don't sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 pretty amazing that DT is crowing about VDOT's mistake in going with NWS forecasting when his own forecast was 50% underdone. All the forecasts essentially were saying that the rush hour would be band. WHoever made the decisions was thinking on a normal day, not a day in the low 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 they did the same thing during last years ice storm. huge debacle of not even going 2-hours late before making another call. the school system better hope that the kids who were in an accident don't sue It is extra frustrating for me because of the accident my brother was in taking my niece to school in Balt City this AM. Totally weather and road conditions related. A two-hour delay would have helped. I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 All the forecasts essentially were saying that the rush hour would be band. WHoever made the decisions was thinking on a normal day, not a day in the low 20s. The bolded part is key. A few inches of snow at 22 is a whole different issue than the same around 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is extra frustrating for me because of the accident my brother was in taking my niece to school in Balt City this AM. Totally weather and road conditions related. A two-hour delay would have helped. I just don't get it. I think that is where a lot of the justified criticism comes from. They easily could have said 2 hour delay and adjusted when they saw more snow would fall and cause worse driving conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The bolded part is key. A few inches of snow at 22 is a whole different issue than the same around 32. And that was my point--- All the big school systems did 2-hr delays all the time for 1-2" at 32 or even 33 F for decades. The 2-hr delay doesn't cost the system a snow-day, and it's a prudent wait-and-see step, so it's always been used liberally. We had a couple last season for less than an inch of snow or traces of ice. It's not like the school systems had to/should have announced a closing on an iffy 1-2" forecast. Just use the delay and then re-evaluate if need be. The big systems are also more rigid now in "we must decide by 5 am." That contributes to debacles like today and last year (2/26/14 for Montgomery County). Yes, 6 am is late/inconvenient for high school buses, but to me it's better to make a last minute announcement at 5:50 am than for the said buses to get into accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 With snow coming down heavily right around the morning rush hour (even if did only accumulate 1"), a 2hr delay should have been automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This was the perfect day for the Park Seed catalog to come in the mail. Time to pick out this year's maters and peppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceFrederickWx Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 And that was my point--- All the big school systems did 2-hr delays all the time for 1-2" at 32 or even 33 F for decades. The 2-hr delay doesn't cost the system a snow-day, and it's a prudent wait-and-see step, so it's always been used liberally. We had a couple last season for less than an inch of snow or traces of ice. It's not like the school systems had to/should have announced a closing on an iffy 1-2" forecast. Just use the delay and then re-evaluate if need be. The big systems are also more rigid now in "we must decide by 5 am." That contributes to debacles like today and last year (2/26/14 for Montgomery County). Yes, 6 am is late/inconvenient for high school buses, but to me it's better to make a last minute announcement at 5:50 am than for the said buses to get into accidents. The best thing to do in my opinion is to create a uniform standard like if a WWA is issued, its an automatic 2 hour delay with a final decision that morning, always erring on the side of caution. A bust on the low side is better than bust on the high side. But I blame a lot of this on the parents in that region last year who did nothing but constantly complain about school delays and closings being too lax. Entire threads were even created on here about it, how people in this region need to "toughen up" or whatever. Well... this is the end result, sadly. Not that I'm defending the school administrators but they were probably worried about the backlash (again) if it busted the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 very stupid woodpecker is hammering at my metal gutter. That decision my rival Fairfax county staying open today for stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I like the happy snow gif party better than the boring discussion about poor decision making by school administrators. Here's Jebman's cat, gettin' things started for him: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraff Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 when in doubt, go to the snow maps 9-10" on Euro snow map for me Lock that up and hide the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Mike Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just got this email from the Arlington County Manager.....just blames the weather forecasters :axe: : Memo from County Manager Barbara M. Donnellan As is probably now clear to you all, the weather forecasts for today’s snow event got it wrong. We knew yesterday that there would be snow falling this morning. It was predicted to be a minor snow event. We pre-treated the roads in anticipation of less than an inch of snow falling this morning. What was expected to be pretty much a non-event here has turned into a bigger deal, with more snow, coupled with icy conditions, causing hazardous road conditions across the region. By 9:50 a.m., Arlington had 2.6 inches of snow -- and it was still falling. The outer suburbs were hit harder. I reevaluated the situation this morning, based on the changing conditions, and by 7:50 a.m., we had a message out to all employees that the County would open on time, with unscheduled leave. I am sorry that the shifting weather conditions made it difficult to make that decision sooner. Our crews – and the crews of every jurisdiction across the Metro Region – are working hard to clear the roads. Stay safe out there, Barbara Donnellan The good people of Arlington should send Barbara a message: in the form of a subpoena for gross negligence and child endangerment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Seems like a wave 2 stretch/gut punch coming then. Maybe that's what can do it. At this point we may have to just get down and dirty and kick it in the groin a time or two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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