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January Med/Long Range Disco


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And on the para, a sprawling 1041 High in the favored position and....no CAD :yikes:

As modeled, that 1040 hp would anchor some serious cold air at the surface for someone. I suspect it trends colder if it verifies with the placement and strength of HP hold.?

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00z GFS still has the ice "threat" on Monday... 1043 H moving east in tandem

 

Could get kind of ugly in NW VA/C MD

 

Per soundings... DCA sits in the 30-32 range pretty much all day long Monday... 00z GFS P-TYPE suggests FZDZ/FZRN at DCA for about 12 hrs straight (1am MON to 1pm MON)

 

One would think that the CAD would be a bit stronger with dual 1040+ H supplying the CAD for us IMHO

I think it will be stronger.

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Im surprised no one say anything about the Euro -- definitely has some snow for most people next week. 

0z EURO has a decent CAD signature for early week. Would be an icing event west of I95 with a 1040+ high over southern Quebec. It's a drawn out, light precip event.

 

On Thursday there is a beautiful vort pass of a 993MB low. It traverses NC, exits off of VA Beach and then NNE past Ocean City's latitude. Verbatim its a cold rain for almost everyone due to no high to the north. GFS old/new has an open wave passing harmlessly out to sea near GA/FL.

 

The EURO was cold wall to wall. Also, the 6z GEFS shows a western ridge and a forming -NAO late in the period month. EPS has a ridge but no signs of a -NAO.

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Just remember that Ice doesn't accumulate that well in 30-32 degree temperatures, and that is basically what GFS/GGEM are showing.

ZR can certainly accumulate and often does with no problem at 30-31, especially on above ground objects, and sometimes right at 32, especially if it isn't coming down too heavily. Some of the worst ZR's in this area were with the temp 30-32. Now roadside, upper 20's or even colder are often needed, especially for the main roads outside of some elevated roadways.

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ZR can certainly accumulate and often does with no problem at 30-31, especially on above ground objects, and sometimes right at 32, especially if it isn't coming down too heavily. Some of the worst ZR's in this area were with the temp 30-32. Now roadside, upper 20's or even colder are often needed, especially for the main roads outside of some elevated roadways.

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Agreed. And its not like we are going to be 65 degrees the day before. All surfaces will be cold to begin with. It would be a hell of a mess.

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Agreed. And its not like we are going to be 65 degrees the day before. All surfaces will be cold to begin with. It would be a hell of a mess.

Yup, it's pretty clear the conditions necessary for sidewalk/road impacts from ice around here. There has to be an extended period of cold beforehand. After a deep cold snap (like we're experiencing now), even if the precipitation is rain at 32.5 F, there can be lots of ice patches on the roads and sidewalks. 

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nope, not at IAD at least per Accuwx Euro number

850's are 1C, give or take

looks like it would be a mix bag over the 36 hrs. of measurable qpf with the temps vacillating up and down

Verbatim euro cools the column to about 1c across most of the area as the heavier precip band comes through. Surface temps are an even bigger problem though. Cold rain as is but would only take a 1-2 degree drop to become a snowy solution. Not a bad look from so far out. That said I think this is bonus. I still think the later into the season we get the more likely some blocking develops. That's when we might get a really nice pattern. I think the epo obviously wants to be negative so if we can get any help from the nao down the line I think we cash in with a big storm.
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Are you both talking about the early week storm or the late week? At 192hrs everyone looks below 0C at 850, but maybe precip is over then?

late week. Precip is ending then. During the peak of the storm euro tries to crash temps but doesn't quite get there until too late. It's close enough at this range though.
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Weenie question here:

 

Is next week looking like one of those Catch-22 situations where the high is too weak to hold enough cold air in the region during the 3~ days of overrunning precip, but if the high were stronger, the storm would stay suppressed to the south? And like most of our overrunning situations, we really have to thread the needle and be right on the fringe of cold air/precip cutoff?

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Weenie question here:

Is next week looking like one of those Catch-22 situations where the high is too weak to hold enough cold air in the region during the 3~ days of overrunning precip, but if the high were stronger, the storm would stay suppressed to the south? And like most of our overrunning situations, we really have to thread the needle and be right on the fringe of cold air/precip cutoff?

The bigger issue for the early week storm is the high is old. You don't need a strong high when it's fresh and an old strong high goes stale. Especially in the mid levels. Surface can hang tough hence the main threat being ice.

The later week system is completely unresolved.

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