Roy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Chris Robbins is saying 2-3 p.m. freezing line for the metro, which is definitely earlier than NWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 EWx criteria for winter storm warnings really makes a mess of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Chris Robbins is saying 2-3 p.m. freezing line for the metro, which is definitely earlier than NWS. That seems a bit early, but who knows the 40F line is around 380 and the freezing line is nearing the Red River and to the west it is near Wichita Falls and Lubbock. I think 3-6PM is most likely depending on where you are located in the Metroplex. Models show it really slowing down east of Dallas so it will be interesting if that is the case. It usually does slow some moving through E TX, but this front is not as shallow as most so I am not sure it will take 6+ hours to go from Dallas to Tyler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I am thinking more like 4:00-5 for freezing line currently, but will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFWWeather Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wonder if FWD is going to do a midday update and if they are going to increase accumulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixotic1 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Freezing line through Ardmore..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ams30721us Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wonder if FWD is going to do a midday update and if they are going to increase accumulations? They just extended the warning a row of counties to the east, worried about convective elements tonight along with winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Chris Robbins is saying 2-3 p.m. freezing line for the metro, which is definitely earlier than NWS. That seems aggressive to me but Chris knows his stuff. Was that from an update this morning? The high-res models are still playing catch up with the temps, each run falls behind almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ams30721us Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Here's the latest thinking from the afternoon brief from FWD: BOTTOM LINE: As everyone knows by now, weather models yesterday evening/overnight began latching onto a scenario of stronger lift and moisture - and heavier snow and sleet accumulations - for portions of North Texas. This resulted in the need for a Winter Storm Warning for many of our counties. Our forecast remains essentially on track late this morning, and we're confident that a significant winter weather event will affect much of North and Central Texas later today and tonight. There will be considerable surface and air travel impacts - and some power impacts - for our area during the next 24 - 48 hours. All of our public safety, transportation and media partners need to be planning now in response to these impacts. LOCATION/TIMING/AMOUNTS: The following are our best estimates, but subject to adjustment later today/this evening: 1) Along/northwest of an Eastland to Gainesville line: Temperatures: Drop below 32 by 3-4 pm; morning lows Thursday 21 to 25; Thursday highs 35 to 40. Accumulations: Around 1" snow/sleet; isolated higher amounts of 2-3" Impacts: Significant travel impacts on all roads through Thurs morning 2) Broad area extending from Comanche to DFW to Paris:. Temperatures: Drop below 32 by 6-8 pm; morning lows Thursday 25 to 29; Thursday highs 34 to 38. Accumulations: 1-2 inches of sleet and snow; isolated amounts of 3-4". Less than 0.10" of freezing rain possible as precipitation changes over this evening Impacts: Significant travel impacts on all roads through Thurs morning; isolated power outages also possible 3) Areas south of a Lampasas-Waco-Athens line: Temperatures: Drop below 32 in a wide window between 8 pm and 3 am (closer to 8-9 pm in Killeen/Temple/Waco areas); morning lows Thursday 28 to 32; Thursday highs 35-40 Accumulations: Mainly averaging 1/2" sleet; up to 0.25" of freezing rain Impacts: Moderate to significant travel impacts on all roads through Thursday morning, especially bridges/overpasses. Potential for some power outages due to wind and ice accumulation on power lines and trees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They just extended the warning a row of counties to the east, worried about convective elements tonight along with winds. I expect Smith and Gregg to be added by SHV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 That seems aggressive to me but Chris knows his stuff. Was that from an update this morning? The high-res models are still playing catch up with the temps, each run falls behind almost immediately. Yes, a FB post this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 HRRR time sensitive: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vwgrrc Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Freezing line now at Ardmore-Graham-Abilene. Seems really slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 From the looks of the above graphic FWD may need to increase amounts in the eastern counties, especially Van Zandt where they are only showing .1" ice and <1" sleet and snow. SHV has even more adjusting to do to match FWD as they have conditions shifted about 50 miles further north than FWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixotic1 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Freezing line crossing Red River. Bowie at freezing. Gainesville at 33. Judging by how temps area wide are dropping, I expect it to move quickly over the metroplex. Probably right between 2:30 - 4:30 pm. Decatur at 35 and Denton at 37 DFW 39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 ETA: Deleted my temp post since the post above from Q was much more detailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwgrrc Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Temps are running about 2C degrees lower than anticipated at most stations in the metro. This might be a problem for evening rush hours and power lines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Freezing line crossing Red River. Bowie at freezing. Gainesville at 33. Judging by how temps area wide are dropping, I expect it to move quickly over the metroplex. Probably right between 2:30 - 4:30 pm. Decatur at 35 and Denton at 37 DFW 39. Looks like Gainesville is now down to 32 and that is an hour or two ahead of what FWD was thinking earlier today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quixotic1 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 IMO, the freezing line has been moving rather quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Models look to really be cutting back on qpf across the DFW area this evening and tonight... wonder if along with the cold air that dry air is also spilling in faster than anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It seems to be trucking good, now entering northwest Denton County. I think I may get it here even slightly before 4 in north Tarrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 IMO, the freezing line has been moving rather quickly. It is really coming down 75 now and is about to push into Melissa, TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixotic1 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Models look to really be cutting back on qpf across the DFW area this evening and tonight... wonder if along with the cold air that dry air is also spilling in faster than anticipated. Which models are you looking at? I assume the high res short range. The image/loop Jorge posted of the HRRR seemed to dryslot us a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamps10 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It is really coming down 75 now and is about to push into Melissa, TX. yeah it's speeding up a bit... think it may be through DFW completely by 5 or 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba hotep Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0115NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK0212 PM CST WED MAR 04 2015AREAS AFFECTED...SOUTHEAST OK...W-CENTRAL AR...NORTH TXCONCERNING...WINTER MIXED PRECIPITATIONVALID 042012Z - 050015ZSUMMARY...SLEET AND LIGHT FREEZING RAIN WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOPSOUTHEAST INTO PORTIONS OF WEST-CENTRAL AR...SOUTHEAST OK AND NORTHTEXAS INTO THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. SLEET WILL BE THE MAINPRECIPITATION TYPE WITH AN EVENTUAL TRANSITION TO SNOW EXPECTEDLATER TONIGHT.DISCUSSION...MIXED WINTER PRECIPITATION WAS MOVING INTO PORTIONS OFS-CENTRAL OK AND NORTH TX NEAR THE RED RIVER WHERE TEMPERATURES WEREIN THE 29-32 DEG F RANGE. AS PRECIPITATION CONTINUES...AND THEMODIFIED ARCTIC AIRMASS CONTINUE TO SLOWLY PROGRESS SOUTHWARD...RAINWILL EVENTUALLY CHANGE TO SLEET AND SOME LIGHT FREEZING RAIN ACROSSPORTIONS OF NORTH TEXAS INTO W-CENTRAL AR. HERE...WET-BULBTEMPERATURES WERE IN THE 32-35 DEGREE F RANGE AND WILL CONTINUE TOFALL WITH THE SOUTHWARD PROGRESSION OF THE LOW LEVEL COLD AIR. WEAKWARM ADVECTION LEADING TO ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE AHEAD OF THE UPPERSHORTWAVE IMPULSE AND A BAND OF 850-700 MB FRONTOGENESIS SHOULDALLOW FOR REGENERATION OF PRECIPITATION. SEVERAL ROUNDS OF LIGHTWINTRY PRECIPITATION ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE EVENING HOURS WITH ANEVENTUAL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW DURING THE NIGHTTIME HOURS...LEITMAN.. 03/04/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixotic1 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Deleted SPC discussion as Bubba beat me to the punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamps10 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 and beat me to the punch too.. was just about to post that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwgrrc Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Models look to really be cutting back on qpf across the DFW area this evening and tonight... wonder if along with the cold air that dry air is also spilling in faster than anticipated. But i guess we many have more frozen precip on the front end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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