powderfreak Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Could be E slope delight if we end up with that deep layer easterly flow. Where 800 feet elevation on easterly facing slopes are plastured and 800 feet on westerly facing slopes are struggling...it can be pretty notable when you have the deep layer east flow in marginal setups. But that type of detail is going to be for something inside of 3 days once we get a better handle on the evolution...I'm still not convinced that the BL wedge over the interior is going to give out as easy as models want it to. Yeah that would be good here, lol. Reminds me of the April 27-28, 2010 storm which was strongly a NW flow event up here...700ft on the west slope got like 18-24" at 30-32F, while 700ft in Stowe slopped their way to 7-8" being like 33-34F. Always fascinating how that stuff works in a marginal airmass, that extra 1C of upslope cooling can get you another like 1,000ft of snow level in heavy precip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 GFS comes to the party after all the hot girls are taking, leaving slobs behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I give you props Ginxy...you are fully into this all the while knowing your area may not stand a good chance at significant snow. You can tell you are amped even for the chance of VT/NH/ME to get snow, and keeping your eye out for an improvement at home. An equal opportunity weenie. Definitely the least IMBY one of us on here. what can I say I love the weather especially when its progged crazy. I know when I have a shot and when its a foregone conclusion but damn I do love to read yours and everyone's reports and pics from a good ole fashioned butt whipping Nor'easter, now with some extra time off I can travel more and imbibe in some weenie snows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Could be E slope delight if we end up with that deep layer easterly flow. Where 800 feet elevation on easterly facing slopes are plastured and 800 feet on westerly facing slopes are struggling...it can be pretty notable when you have the deep layer east flow in marginal setups. But that type of detail is going to be for something inside of 3 days once we get a better handle on the evolution...I'm still not convinced that the BL wedge over the interior is going to give out as easy as models want it to. That's pretty much what happened in 92. I still remember roaring winds in Vernon and when it would be heavy it would snow..and when it lightened up it went to rain or a mix. That was the storm where i told myself I would live in the "hills" when life allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Finally getting a clue. Starting to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Starting to Well yeah, I mean we can't expect it to be running the company on its first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 That's pretty much what happened in 92. I still remember roaring winds in Vernon and when it would be heavy it would snow..and when it lightened up it went to rain or a mix. That was the storm where i told myself I would live in the "hills" when life allowed That increase of 9" a season is life changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 1 or 2 analogies is enough...we don't need a whole page of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 18Z GFS is pretty close to being good enough for accumulating snow on the TROWAL right down into SNE...get that a bit more deepened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 LOL..Will deletes my comment but leaves yours. Eh, someone did mine which it wasn't weather related so it should have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 That's pretty much what happened in 92. I still remember roaring winds in Vernon and when it would be heavy it would snow..and when it lightened up it went to rain or a mix. That was the storm where i told myself I would live in the "hills" when life allowed What was pretty amazing in that storm was the hills were getting smoked with blizzard conditions wind included but the downslope valleys it was just a breezy day while the coasts was getting pummeled, not until the winds switched Northerly did the valleys get good winds. It did eventually snow on the coast . I took my kids sledding in GON at Washington Park hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 That's pretty much what happened in 92. I still remember roaring winds in Vernon and when it would be heavy it would snow..and when it lightened up it went to rain or a mix. That was the storm where i told myself I would live in the "hills" when life allowed yes this Connecticut River Valley area can be very frustrating at times in marginal situations and with strong easterly flows. what was the storm when Florida Massachusetts got like 48 inches but Springfield where I lived only got 4 or 5 and I remember literally looking up in the sky and could see it was snowing like crazy only a few hundred feet higher for hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 GFS finally gets a clue, but it's still beyond 4 days out, so we can't get that harsh on it. In any case, it's all about the nrn stream now. I think it only has so much room for improvement, but perhaps the flow still being sort of progressive maybe aids in this not tucking into LI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 18Z GFS is pretty close to being good enough for accumulating snow on the TROWAL right down into SNE...get that a bit more deepened. Doesn't want to leave anytime soon either, Starting to see this scenario more as well someone could see a lot of snow from this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 What was pretty amazing in that storm was the hills were getting smoked with blizzard conditions wind included but the downslope valleys it was just a breezy day while the coasts was getting pummeled, not until the winds switched Northerly did the valleys get good winds. It did eventually snow on the coast . I took my kids sledding in GON at Washington Park hills. How much did Hartford area have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Doesn't want to leave anytime soon either, Starting to see this scenario more as well someone could see a lot of snow from this GFS does its looped de loop thing in the GOM 69 style while the Euro does its off NJ NYC 92 ish... style. I'd take a 78 style compromise for 1000 Mr Trebek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The GFS is an absolute joke for NNE srfc temps. I mean c'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The GFS is an absolute joke for NNE srfc temps. I mean c'mon. They are terrible it has been running warm over the last several events, Way to warm, You are not going to erode that cold out that quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 okay now we just need a GFS track with the Euro intensity and many people would be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 okay now we just need a GFS track with the Euro intensity and many people would be happy You still need it east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I know a bit OT but man this is sick..7 inches of water in 20 inches of snow...that is awesome..yes please Dec. 1992 Heavy snows fell inland with Worcester, MA 32.1 inches setting a new single storm record. Stamford, NY had 37 inches, Berne, NY 34 inches, Otis, MA 33 inches, Hopkinton, MA 28 inches, Union, CT 27 inches and Jerimoth, Hill, RI 24 inches. Boston, MA recorded frequent gusts over 60 mph with a peak gust to 78 mph. The snow was very wet near the coast. Woonsocket, RI recorded 7.14 inches of liquid water content in 20 inches of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I know a bit OT but man this is sick..7 inches of water in 20 inches of snow...that is awesome..yes please Dec. 1992 Heavy snows fell inland with Worcester, MA 32.1 inches setting a new single storm record. Stamford, NY had 37 inches, Berne, NY 34 inches, Otis, MA 33 inches, Hopkinton, MA 28 inches, Union, CT 27 inches and Jerimoth, Hill, RI 24 inches. Boston, MA recorded frequent gusts over 60 mph with a peak gust to 78 mph. The snow was very wet near the coast. Woonsocket, RI recorded 7.14 inches of liquid water content in 20 inches of snow. They didn't have 3:1 ratios. That was storm total QPF. A lot of RI and SE ma had 6-8" QPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 92 is still my top 2 or 3 fave. Driving up to wife's parents house at 880 in Tolland from Vernon. What a difference. 6-7 inches to 16-18 there with tree carnage and power out for 5 days. Praying we get something similar soon The elevation around here had huge differences, I lived in the valley at about 450' and got about 12 inches of mashed potatoes, my sister 5 miles away got the same as Worcester with large drifts, I tried to get to her house with a Tacoma 4 wheel drive and got stuck in a snow drift, had trouble opening the door to get out of the truck, I had to turn around and come back home, the drifts in the high spots were unbelievable. I have pictures somewhere of different spots in Charlton but haven't been able to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I'm forced to wonder ... would these "GFS finally gets a clue..." posts ever have been written "Euro finally gets a clue" if the Euro caved toward the GFS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 You still need it east. yes eastern New England definitely but back here in the Connecticut River Valley just east of Cape Cod is usually a pretty decent track although there is obviously many more variables at play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 yes eastern New England definitely but back here in the Connecticut River Valley just east of Cape Cod is usually a pretty decent track although there is obviously many more variables at play. Right, but the fact that this throws a lot of warmer air aloft west, causes you to need a further east track. Like the euro ensemble mean for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Can you imagine Ryan's meltdown had he been around for this or if we do it again someday? Epic. The east winds, as they interacted with the higher terrain in Worcester County, MA were forced to rise quite sharply, a process called upslope flow. A storm total of 40" of paralyzing snow occurred at Worcester, MA as a result. On the leeward side of the Worcester hills the air descended, and thus compressed causing it to warm and dry out. The subsequent downslope flow into the Connecticut river valley, dried the air out so much that average snowfalls amounted to only three inches around Hartford, CT, and Springfield, MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 He would have every right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 near me 1992-12-11 37 32 34.5 2.5 30 0 3.58 3.2 3 1992-12-12 34 27 30.5 -1.2 34 0 2.00 20.0 21 1992-12-13 32 29 30.5 -0.8 34 0 0.12 1.2 22 BDL 1992-12-11 37 34 35.5 2.4 29 0 1.01 1.1 0 1992-12-12 34 30 32.0 -0.7 33 0 0.37 4.2 2 ORH 1992-12-11 37 28 32.5 1.6 32 0 0.88 14.8 T 1992-12-12 28 25 26.5 -4.1 38 0 1.36 17.3 22 1992-12-13 30 27 28.5 -1.7 36 0 T T 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Kart Mozart Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Sunday is going to be just lovely around here. Balls cold with howling NNE gales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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