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Winter 2014-15 Banter Thread


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http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/

 

Seasonal upper jet stream anomaly off the coast of Japan????   HMMMMM

Nuclear winter ......... just not the kind you were expecting  :ph34r: 

 

 

 

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=westpac&sat=wgms∏=dlm6&zoom=&time=

 

J/K  with the strato warming thinkers

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http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/

 

Seasonal upper jet stream anomaly off the coast of Japan????   HMMMMM

Nuclear winter ......... just not the kind you were expecting  :ph34r: 

 

 

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http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=westpac&sat=wgms∏=dlm6&zoom=&time=

Translation, please?

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Translation, please?

 

His post typically tell you his thoughts in the first post.

something to keep an eye on maybe.

I hold true to the fact that an animal knows the weather.

Chipmunks, bears etc, watch and learn over the years.

Check phill post end of the summer, non activity = mild winter, can't call snow etc around here,

A weather model changes with data that is put into it.

Animals know the weather.

 

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http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/

Seasonal upper jet stream anomaly off the coast of Japan???? HMMMMM

Nuclear winter ......... just not the kind you were expecting :ph34r:

nw.gif

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=westpac&sat=wgms∏=dlm6&zoom=&time=

J/K with the strato warming thinkers

Yup. This is killing us!

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The so called experts don't know anymore than most on this board and if winter doesn't turn around they should all be ignored next winter. And I'm not saying they should know but why do we place so much emphasis on winter forecasts when so much can easily go wrong?

Yes to be honest, I'm thinking that conditions for a season 3-5 months away just cannot be predicted. I've read a ton of winter forecasts, some by very knowledgeable Mets and hobbyists. Some of the reasoning sounded very good. However, what I've come to find over the past several years is that most of the forecasts aren't just a little bit off, but the exact opposite of what occurs. Cold, snowy forecasts, for the most part have turned out warmer and less snowy. Warm, less snowy forecasts have come before epic cold and snowy winters. By the pros. Does this mean that they will always be wrong ? Of course not ! But I think it really does mean that no matter what is forecasted well ahead of time, it has a 1 in 2 chance of verifying. Either way. Point being, even the best just simply do not have the tools or abilities to forecast long range conditions. Our weather models cannot even accurately forecast much more than a few days in advance. I'm sure this will change in the future, but as of now, long range forecasting I simply cannot believe in
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Long Range Trouble Maker---- EC Big Dog Assassin

Flat PAC jet... just wont quit 

 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/

 

Gem Ens-pattern fit

 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2015011012/gem-ens_uv250_namer_65.png

 

 

CFSv2 Forecast of Monthly Mean Climate Anomalies

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/mchen/CFSv2FCST/monthly/images/CFSv2.NaT2m.20150110.201502.gif

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namer_65.gifbro I don't care what anyone says you are spot on problem is their are not to Many realist on this board it's either snow or they don't want to hear it, fact is weather is weather, I just like to track wether it is rain or snow it's interesting to see what will happen next

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Flat PAC jet... just wont quit

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs-ens/

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The so called experts don't know anymore than most on this board and if winter doesn't turn around they should all be ignored next winter. And I'm not saying they should know but why do we place so much emphasis on winter forecasts when so much can easily go wrong?

Most long range forecasts are based on referencing the past. Unfortunately sometimes a new past is written by not following the so called references that are used to make that winters forecast. In turn, this winter may be used as a new reference for what could go to wrong the first half of winter in the future. I guess it's all a learning experience whether we like it or not. I enjoy snow, but I also enjoy the science behind

Why or why not a winter comes to fruition.

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Yes to be honest, I'm thinking that conditions for a season 3-5 months away just cannot be predicted. I've read a ton of winter forecasts, some by very knowledgeable Mets and hobbyists. Some of the reasoning sounded very good. However, what I've come to find over the past several years is that most of the forecasts aren't just a little bit off, but the exact opposite of what occurs. Cold, snowy forecasts, for the most part have turned out warmer and less snowy. Warm, less snowy forecasts have come before epic cold and snowy winters. By the pros. Does this mean that they will always be wrong ? Of course not ! But I think it really does mean that no matter what is forecasted well ahead of time, it has a 1 in 2 chance of verifying. Either way. Point being, even the best just simply do not have the tools or abilities to forecast long range conditions. Our weather models cannot even accurately forecast much more than a few days in advance. I'm sure this will change in the future, but as of now, long range forecasting I simply cannot believe in

To be fair temps may end up fairly close to average all said and done and not as cold as last year..which was the forecast...predicting snowfall is much more of a crapshoot

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Most long range forecasts are based on referencing the past. Unfortunately sometimes a new past is written by not following the so called references that are used to make that winters forecast. In turn, this winter may be used as a new reference for what could go to wrong the first half of winter in the future. I guess it's all a learning experience whether we like it or not. I enjoy snow, but I also enjoy the science behind

Why or why not a winter comes to fruition.

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Wrong, most long range forecast are based off of a hypothesis.

There is and has not been enough research done to confirmm long term result.

 

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Wrong, most long range forecast are based off of a hypothesis.

There is and has not been enough research done to confirmm long term result.

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I do agree with u that long range forecasts r based off a hypothesis. However, analogs play a tremendous role in creating One's hypothesis. Referencing the past plays a critical role in hypothesizing what one thinks may or may not occur

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Analogs can only get you so far because no past year will ever be a perfect match for a future year.

Forecasting would be a lot easier if analogs determined future events instead they are nothing but a general overview of how certain things evolve.

It's like when the professor hands you a syllabus outlining the entire course. Just because you have the outline doesn't mean you'll get the results you want.

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That is all is is a hypothesis.

I don't fault people. but I will never pay $ for what is free.

I work for a clothing company and get chaved when I hear rumors executives paid big money for a forecast.

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I hear you...I was in minor league baseball fresh out of college, working group sales. The amount of money they pay for a gamday forecast for a minor league team is mind boggling. I get all the info I need from this weather forum. I would never pay either. To have this forum, great winter or not, is a priceless attribute to the hobby I love.

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