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December 2014 Banter Thread


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He has a point though, you can't ever know for sure that a certain type of storm will never again be surpassed.

I meant hasn't been surpassed in my lifetime. You know what I meant and so would any other moron.

Whatever...I'll just stay out of the discussion. You guys carry on. I don't have the energy.

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Zugzwang,

      No worries about the formatting.  Your reply looks fine.  I did not quote us again here in order to keep it shorter. 

 

      Yea, western Ohio, much of Indiana and some of Illinois took the brunt of it in 78. Don't recall the governor of Ohio at the time, but do recall him being on TV in Columbus and then by helicopter because nobody could go anywhere.  I-70, 71, 81 etc were all parking lots.  The lucky one's who got into a truck stop were at least better off there than out on the road. Recall the National Guard dropping hay from choppers in the more remote areas.  In some cases, necessary.  In others, suspect it was more for good PR than anything else as farmer's are typically the most resourceful and resilient among us.

 

     I remember trying to plow through the drifts in front of our house with my dad's Gravely tractor.  Every nook, cranny, tree and twig had created its own drift due to the wind.  Loved the days off of school (they didn't close school in Ohio then at the first flake like here), but had to make them up later that year.  What became serious was when folks ran out of heating oil in the outlying areas.  Frozen pipes, floods, short circuits and fires were common.  Recall one fire our department responded to when it was nearly -30F.  That really taxes the equipment not to say the firefighters.  Many of the farmers joined forces to plow open the roads because there were not enough trucks to go around and many of them just could not handle the depth of the drifts.  As with everything the silver lining was the way all the communities pulled together to help each other out. Our town of 5500 was just close enough to Dayton that we got food deliveries within a couple days, but some in the more outlining areas cut off for 4-5 days or more started getting desperate.  With today's "just in time" delivery m/o for many commercial enterprises, combined with higher population densities, the situation could be different. 

 

    Also recall the cold.  There was a span in Jan and Feb of that year when we did not get above freezing for a whole month.  Unusual for Ohio, even back then.  Only recall us considering ourselves fortunate for not being up in Wisconsin and Minnesota.  Many folks around here have never felt cold like it feels at -30F with a stiff wind.  That does things to you that you don't quickly forget. 

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Surpassing 93 would be tough as an event overall.. it could shift mainly perhaps. If it was bigger many prob wouldn't even notice.

93 was an extreme nor'easter which I don't think we will see on that level for a long time. I remember the bands of snow coming straight off the atlantic during the morning. A foot or more of snow followed by sleet with maybe some freezing rain in there allowing you to walk on the snow followed by several more inches. It was a beast...just too far west here to give us those obscene snow amounts.

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So many negative Nancys. It's like they want snow but wanna go negative so they don't get their hopes up. Let out your inner weenie.

Might be fun for the first few winters but after 20 not as much.
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isn't analyzing to death snowy runs of the Euro part of what we do around here?

I'm sorry I snapped but there is a history of me and others who don't weenie it up getting attacked. That's not going to fly with me anymore at least.
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I'm sorry I snapped but there is a history of me and others who don't weenie it up getting attacked. That's not going to fly with me anymore at least.

it's fine, I don't anything on this Board seriously (.....on 2nd thought, maybe I should?  :yikes: )

and I understand your perspective completely    :)

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So many negative Nancys. It's like they want snow but wanna go negative so they don't get their hopes up. Let out your inner weenie.

Do we always get all the snow models try to give us? It is insane to keep buying into things when history shows that we don't get buried

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I feel much the same way, Ian. 3+ years ago I would have 2 treble hooks in my lips getting reeled in. This is far from a mediim lead slam dunk setup. It's just one of many possibilities and probably on of the best case scenarios

It looks pretty good though the 500mb passage is too close for my liking at this range. I'd rather have some breathing room for the inevitable negative trend locally.

 

My issue is maybe more that we've been continuing to consider longer ranges more useful every year at a greater rate than the models are improving.

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