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Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh!  My video feed died at T minus 15 seconds!

 

yep lol I swear it said there were 34 MILLION viewers when that happened, that might have had something to do with it....

 

Oh that was total views there was only around 60,000 actual viewers at the time still around 54,000 watching......

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yep lol I swear it said there were 34 MILLION viewers when that happened, that might have had something to do with it....

 

Oh that was total views there was only around 60,000 actual viewers at the time still around 54,000 watching......

 

I had my three kids all gathered around the computer to watch too.  The video came back about 3 minutes into the flight, so we got to see booster separation, but still it's not as cool as the initial launch.  Of course they'll be able to watch it replayed, but I wanted them to be able to see it live.  Now, we just have to wait another 2 years before they do it again...

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Agreed....you have people on one end of the spectrum that painted this end to end epic winter, which is always like once in a 30 year occurrence.  And then you have other people act like because we don't live in Canada that we shouldn't expect snow.  I am kind of in the middle, I posted some stats the other day showing it's just as likely for RDU to get 2" or less of snow in a season as it is to get 12"+ over a season.  It does snow here, just the past 25 years have been really rotten for us.  But, we had great stretches like the 60's-80's that were consistently snowy but since 1990 it's been inconsistent to the say the least.  I personally think the next 25-30 years will be more consistently snowy, whether it starts this year or in the next couple.

 

I remember winters back in the 80's where it was snowy and cold and then 2 days later your in shorts, that's typical for our winters.

 

That's why I don't worry too much about the warm-ups. We have had a lot of times where temps would be in the 60s and near 70 just a couple of days before a big snow storm here, and like you said a couple of days afterwards. A lot of times it goes from one extreme to the other here and that is when we get our biggest snows. That's what happened with the Carolina Crusher back in 2000. Temps were above normal most of the month of January, and then the last week came and we had a decent snow followed by the Crusher a couple days later. Of course, we didn't have anything else the rest of winter, but I think it was worth it. And the set up this winter sounds a lot better from everything I have read, and it remains on track.

 

I actually worry more when we go in the deep freeze for a week or two. It seems most of the time if we have a long stretch of highs in the teens to low 20s it is just really cold and dry. I'd rather have the roller coaster ride and temps around 30 here for snow. That seems to be when we have our best snowfall. 

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That's why I don't worry too much about the warm-ups. We have had a lot of times where temps would be in the 60s and near 70 just a couple of days before a big snow storm here, and like you said a couple of days afterwards. A lot of times it goes from one extreme to the other here and that is when we get our biggest snows. That's what happened with the Carolina Crusher back in 2000. Temps were above normal most of the month of January, and then the last week came and we had a decent snow followed by the Crusher a couple days later. Of course, we didn't have anything else the rest of winter, but I think it was worth it. And the set up this winter sounds a lot better from everything I have read, and it remains on track.

I actually worry more when we go in the deep freeze for a week or two. It seems most of the time if we have a long stretch of highs in the teens to low 20s it is just really cold and dry. I'd rather have the roller coaster ride and temps around 30 here for snow. That seems to be when we have our best snowfall.

A long stretch of highs in the teens and 20s!!??

When did you move to Minnesota ??

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That's why I don't worry too much about the warm-ups. We have had a lot of times where temps would be in the 60s and near 70 just a couple of days before a big snow storm here, and like you said a couple of days afterwards. A lot of times it goes from one extreme to the other here and that is when we get our biggest snows. That's what happened with the Carolina Crusher back in 2000. Temps were above normal most of the month of January, and then the last week came and we had a decent snow followed by the Crusher a couple days later. Of course, we didn't have anything else the rest of winter, but I think it was worth it. And the set up this winter sounds a lot better from everything I have read, and it remains on track.

 

I actually worry more when we go in the deep freeze for a week or two. It seems most of the time if we have a long stretch of highs in the teens to low 20s it is just really cold and dry. I'd rather have the roller coaster ride and temps around 30 here for snow. That seems to be when we have our best snowfall. 

 

Someone is nipping at the old Egg Nog a little early in the day me thinks  :drunk:

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Atlanta is running an incredible 13 degrees above normal so far this month. I bet the first week of December will end up being one of the top 10 warmest first weeks of December on record.

What a difference a little trip up 85 can make. Pretty sure I'm below normal for the first few days of Dec, thanks wedge!
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I predict that based on analogs around one month from now, if not a little sooner, that many here will look back and laugh about how negative was the tone here a month ago based on the expected excitement level due to an overall much colder pattern then and down the road per models. I can't wait for this to occur. I strongly believe that this winter is going to be such a trip and that it won't be easily forgotten. This includes the teasing mild December and how it is expected to be such a stark contrast to what follows. The latest Euro weeklies are very exciting to see and are following the analogs nicely.

 

Well Larry, you were money last year.  When you honked on a couple storms, they verified even at long leads.  I'm certainly listening and hoping.  Good to hear your optimism. 

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What a difference a little trip up 85 can make. Pretty sure I'm below normal for the first few days of Dec, thanks wedge!

CAD in full effect. NE wind cranking ,cloudy and it feels like the holidays.

Not sure if it's CAD or not but here in ATL today is like a different season than the first 4 days. Cloudy, foggy, drizzle, light winds and 50ish.

Nevermind t, definitely CAD. Just checked the mesoscale analysis page. It may not be as cold as it could be with a better cold source to the north but it's a CAD setup.

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I wonder why nobody is talking about the chance for some freezing rain in the CAD area's of NC on Monday? Looks like a decent chance, IMO.

Nobody's got time for ice threats, the only thing to track now is the "heat" wave and looking at the 15 day GFS and 10 day euro, trying to find the end of the torch and the elusive giant rubber band! :)
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I wonder why nobody is talking about the chance for some freezing rain in the CAD area's of NC on Monday?  Looks like a decent chance, IMO.

 

Do you think it will be cold enough?  I admittedly haven't looked in depth but at first glance it appears to be just not a cold enough parent high to do the trick.

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Well this is kinda sad at 384, but whatever....12Z GFS breaks down the pattern at the end of the run.  Dare I say it shows a +PNA, -AO, -NAO, and a split flow?  Probably worthless normally.  But since for DAYS the same pattern has shown it self (+AO) at the end of the run, I'm happy to finally see a break in it.  That with the analogs/EURO weeklies seems to give a bit more credence. 

 

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Well this is kinda sad at 384, but whatever....12Z GFS breaks down the pattern at the end of the run.  Dare I say it shows a +PNA, -AO, -NAO, and a split flow?  Probably worthless normally.  But since for DAYS the same pattern has shown it self (+AO) at the end of the run, I'm happy to finally see a break in it.  That with the analogs/EURO weeklies seems to give a bit more credence. 

 

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The amazing thing about this pattern flip is the below normal temps we get before the flip happens. At this point I would not be surprised if we(CAD areas) average below normal for the month. **We're currently in a warm pattern and I have a lot of highs in the 40s forecasted for me in the near future.  

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Do you think it will be cold enough?  I admittedly haven't looked in depth but at first glance it appears to be just not a cold enough parent high to do the trick.

 

Probably not, but it's something to talk about.

 

Here's a sounding off the NAM just north of Charlotte for Monday afternoon. The NAM really breaks out the precip, but it is also much warmer at 850mb than the GFS(which has very little precip and thus doesn't get the surface to freezing.)

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Probably not, but it's something to talk about.

 

Here's a sounding off the NAM just north of Charlotte for Monday afternoon. The NAM really breaks out the precip, but it is also much warmer at 850mb than the GFS(which has very little precip and thus doesn't get the surface to freezing.)

 

Wow, that's a massive warm nose.  It is closer than I thought though.  Thanks for posting that.

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Well this is kinda sad at 384, but whatever....12Z GFS breaks down the pattern at the end of the run.  Dare I say it shows a +PNA, -AO, -NAO, and a split flow?  Probably worthless normally.  But since for DAYS the same pattern has shown it self (+AO) at the end of the run, I'm happy to finally see a break in it.  That with the analogs/EURO weeklies seems to give a bit more credence. 

 

lYNncDFl.png

 

What I don't like in that map is how the lowest heights are still in Siberia.  There isn't vodka cold for storms to pull down from Canada.  baby steps? 

 

Also, Can someone with knowledge please tell me if those low heights associated with the Aleutian low are a problem?  I've been curious about that feature for a while now.

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