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December Med/Long Range Disco


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My mistake.  The event I was looking at is day 11-12 on the gfs.

 

I think that's the same one I was referring to, though you can see it develop around day 10.  Bit confusing, sorry about that.  Looking a bit more, there does appear to be some precip still occurring in the cold air (once it gets cold enough); even the 2-m temperatures get around to below freezing.  But with the plots 12 hours apart, kinda hard to tell how much might be falling in the colder air.  I know that's parsing details this far out, but you get the idea.

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I hope the Christmas storm re-shuffles the deck.  This weather is boring and I have always been a big believer in getting the arctic cold in place first and see what happens with storms later.  

In this case, we somehow have neither. The cold has reshuffled over Asia with the cross-polar ridge in late November. Like 2011, early season cold killed us.

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If I remember, November 2013 was cold in the fourth week. It may be important in the grand scheme. I don't know.

 

I know. Cold in November is completely irrelevant to anything. And comparing the Nov-Dec pattern progression to 2011 is terrible analysis. You post this stuff a lot. And I always interpret it as you viewing air temps as some sort of bubble that moves around the globe.

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I know. Cold in November is completely irrelevant to anything. And comparing the Nov-Dec pattern progression to 2011 is terrible analysis. You post this stuff a lot. And I always interpret it as you viewing air temps as some sort of bubble that moves around the globe.

Just ignore. If only we had a block button on these forums
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I know. Cold in November is completely irrelevant to anything. And comparing the Nov-Dec pattern progression to 2011 is terrible analysis. You post this stuff a lot. And I always interpret it as you viewing air temps as some sort of bubble that moves around the globe.

Pretty much. We cool at night but its not the engine that snow-cover is. You even posted a map showing the paltry NA snowcover.

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Euro ENS dump the cold east a day or two later than the GFS.  Looks like it has staying power through the end of the run as well.  Really strong signal as the indicators are looking solid.

 

Pretty classic -epo cold dump. There are a lot of 1040-1050+ hps dropping out of western canada on the ind members. Reminds me of last year. 

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Pretty classic -epo cold dump. There are a lot of 1040-1050+ hps dropping out of western canada on the ind members. Reminds me of last year. 

Yep, I don't expect the SJS to be modeled very strong under those types of HPs.  Being these are the ENS at long lead, that doesn't bother me quite yet in terms of being overly dry.  

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Pretty much. We cool at night but its not the engine that snow-cover is. You even posted a map showing the paltry NA snowcover.

 

Well thankfully Canada is completely snow covered and polar air will be travelling across it before pouring over the eastern 2/3rds of the US before long. 

 

I just don't understand some of your posts. It's not like asia bottles up all the cold air and keeps it from us. We don't need anything except cold continental air that originates in-situ in our hemisphere to be plenty below normal. This is driven by basic weather patterns. Yes, record breaking cold is going to need to be cross polar but that's a different discussion. 

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Well thankfully Canada is completely snow covered and polar air will be travelling across it before pouring over the eastern 2/3rds of the US before long. 

 

I just don't understand some of your posts. It's not like asia bottles up all the cold air and keeps it from us. We don't need anything except cold continental air that originates in-situ in our hemisphere to be plenty below normal. This is driven by basic weather patterns. Yes, record breaking cold is going to need to be cross polar but that's a different discussion. 

Because most of them dont make sense, or are incessant whining about how the next cold/snow screw-job will play out.

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Man, again the gfs has one heck of a block over the davis strait and it's there @ d9. This is very different than the euro. IF anything like that were to verify, would wouldn't have a rainy cutter after Xmas. 

The 27th looks interesting on the GFS. It keeps coming closer and closer. 06z had on Jan. 1, 12z had on the 29th, and now it's on the 27th.

 

Unless it's a different storm lol.

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The 27th looks interesting on the GFS. It keeps coming closer and closer. 06z had on Jan. 1, 12z had on the 29th, and now it's on the 27th.

Unless it's a different storm lol.

All guidance seems to have a storm of some sort a couple days after Xmas. Euro and pgfs are cutters because big ridging pops behind the departing bomb. That ridge is far from a lock.

I'm not buying into anything models are spitting out beyond Xmas. We need to know how the bomb evolves and what it does downstream before we'll have a clear idea what to expect next.

It's been a typical winter month of "it's 10-15 days away". Thats a staple in these parts. Lol

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All guidance seems to have a storm of some sort a couple days after Xmas. Euro and pgfs are cutters because big ridging pops behind the departing bomb. That ridge is far from a lock.

I'm not buying into anything models are spitting out beyond Xmas. We need to know how the bomb evolves and what it does downstream before we'll have a clear idea what to expect next.

It's been a typical winter month of "it's 10-15 days away". Thats a staple in these parts. Lol

Smart. The bomb evolution will yield some wild solutions late in the game. This could be fun. Or heartbreaking.
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