CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 its all about the snow, point being the original discussion by Jerry was about the met setup, which was twisted into the words epic, historical by the snarky bunch. But in my honest opinion, I don't think it was that extraordinary. I mean it's cool a firehose is being aimed a NNE, but I dunno..I don't see the awe, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 True but definitely not pedestrian and some places multiple records were set so there's that and the fact its not over. Plus I am talking about the northeast as a whole. Unusual Meteorologically speaking was the original points but some were using it as an excuse to bash, but that's cool we know how they roll. "Decent"..."far from a big deal", "we get these all the time" Jesus Christ, I'm not sure what else you want him to say. Sounds an awful lot like pedestian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 its all about the snow, point being the original discussion by Jerry was about the met setup, which was twisted into the words epic, historical by the snarky bunch. There was nothing extraordinary about it. It was 2-4" of rain. 2-4" of liquid equivalent snow rivals the largest blizzards on record. That rivaled nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 But in my honest opinion, I don't think it was that extraordinary. I mean it's cool a firehose is being aimed a NNE, but I dunno..I don't see the awe, but that's just me. trying to remember the last setup similar to this, 2010 probably closest. Pretty amazing how far west that snow made it last night, near Syracuse got smoked with 8-12 from Atlantic moisture from a LP center near LI, pretty anomalous in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I was responding directly to your post Will Yeah we were a localized island that avoided the torch...but that general CONUS torch still verified. Right...Look at who avoided the warmth...centered right at New England/Northeast U.S...esp once the next couple days of the plains torch is verified. I'm really struggling as to what you saw so egregiously wrong. But I guess you are a nitpicker when it comes to long range talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 "Decent"..."far from a big deal", "we get these all the time" Jesus Christ, I'm not sure what else you want him to say. Sounds an awful lot like pedestrain. As much as I like reading these riveting board debates, I look forward to when the discussion centers on tracking. We need it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well those are two different things. You can't evaluate storms on QPF all the time. Apples to oranges when talking rain or snow. We avg more 2-4" rain events than 2-4' snow events. Apparently its just as easy to achieve 2-4" of qpf in a rain event as it is a snow event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 How are people feeling about this Ohio sliding swipe (B of 2005 style) on next Sunday / Monday (20-21) and the Christmas potential signal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Right...Look at who avoided the warmth...centered right at New England/Northeast U.S...esp once the next couple days of the plains torch is verified. I'm really struggling as to what you saw so egregiously wrong. But I guess you are a nitpicker when it comes to long range talk. No no I was responding to Rays comment about the cutoff being responsible. I posted the map which showed areas all across the northern even midwest which ranged from +1 to -3 for the forst 9 days of Dec, these same areas were progged by models to have 2m temp positive anomalies of +2 to +4 and the cutoff had nothing to do with those areas. i never said you didn't say we would torch, you in fact said the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 No no I was responding to Rays comment about the cutoff being responsible. I posted the map which showed areas all across the northern even midwest which ranged from +1 to -3 for the forst 9 days of Dec, these same areas were progged by models to have 2m temp positive anomalies of +2 to +4 and the cutoff had nothing to do with those areas. i never said you didn't say we would torch, you in fact said the opposite. Ok, fair enough...yes, model guidance was a bit too warm even in the N plains and lakes...and even here. Though you could kind of see how we would avoid the big warmth. Plains are getting theirs now though...they'll continue rack up the + departures over the next week. At any rate, hopefully we can get a threat or two in here before Christmas...still not a particularly cold pattern coming in the week leading into Christmas, but it might be cold enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Apparently its just as easy to achieve 2-4" of qpf in a rain event as it is a snow event. please provide links and data otherwise ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Apparently its just as easy to achieve 2-4" of qpf in a rain event as it is a snow event. Hers your highest winter daily precip in Worcester since 1949 2007-2008 2.49 0 1977-1978 2.49 0 1973-1974 2.47 0 1972-1973 2.45 0 2010-2011 2.36 0 1957-1958 2.35 0 1978-1979 2.34 0 1974-1975 2.21 0 1969-1970 2.16 0 1995-1996 2.13 0 1990-1991 2.12 0 1961-1962 2.08 0 1970-1971 2.07 0 1980-1981 2.06 0 1950-1951 2.05 0 1985-1986 2.04 0 1964-1965 2.04 0 1986-1987 2.03 0 2009-2010 1.95 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Boston FYI yesterday 3.21 1 1992-1993 4.21 0 2 1969-1970 3.51 0 3 1937-1938 2.91 0 4 1970-1971 2.82 0 5 1993-1994 2.76 0 6 2000-2001 2.67 0 7 2007-2008 2.66 0 8 1973-1974 2.64 0 - 1957-1958 2.64 0 10 1960-1961 2.55 0 11 1978-1979 2.52 0 12 1945-1946 2.46 0 13 1968-1969 2.42 0 14 1971-1972 2.40 0 15 2008-2009 2.29 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 How is Dec 1992 not in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Theres only been 2 met winter days where Boston has received over 3 inches of rain in one day since 1936 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 How is Dec 1992 not in there? 2 days 1992-12-11 37 28 32.5 1.6 32 0 0.88 14.8 T 1992-12-12 28 25 26.5 -4.1 38 0 1.36 17.3 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Boston FYI yesterday 3.21 1 1992-1993 4.21 0 2 1969-1970 3.51 0 3 1937-1938 2.91 0 4 1970-1971 2.82 0 5 1993-1994 2.76 0 6 2000-2001 2.67 0 7 2007-2008 2.66 0 8 1973-1974 2.64 0 - 1957-1958 2.64 0 10 1960-1961 2.55 0 11 1978-1979 2.52 0 12 1945-1946 2.46 0 13 1968-1969 2.42 0 14 1971-1972 2.40 0 15 2008-2009 2.29 0 I don't think that was ASOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 2 days 1992-12-11 37 28 32.5 1.6 32 0 0.88 14.8 T 1992-12-12 28 25 26.5 -4.1 38 0 1.36 17.3 22 Well that's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Theres only been 2 met winter days where Boston has received over 3 inches of rain in one day since 1936 Right, BOS got into the coastal front band. But we've had many nor'easters give the area 2-3" of QPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah Logan got less than the 3.21, but Logan always reports too low IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well that's crap. Yeah I'm not sure what they were using for precip back then, but I'm getting a foot of snow tonight if we only had 2 inches of QPF in ORH in the Dec 1992 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Nobody is arguing it wasn't a +RA producer, but go by other metrics and it won't be remembered in met lore that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I don't think that was ASOS? Logan AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Logan AP It's not adding up to me. At least on the NWS page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah I'm not sure what they were using for precip back then, but I'm getting a foot of snow tonight if we only had 2 inches of QPF in ORH in the Dec 1992 storm. southbridge had 3.89 2 day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's not adding up to me. At least on the NWS page. climod data, its only as good as the data they have, what can you do, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 climod data, its only as good as the data they have, what can you do, I still think Logan for whatever reason reports low and I'll go to my grave with that. Unless there is a mesoscale jackpot there of rain, they'll be lower than anyone around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 southbridge had 3.89 2 day There was a ton of wind and also a flash freeze in Dec '92...so I'm wondering if the wet snow clogged something up at the ORH site, frozen, and screwed up the precip...because so many nearby coops had a lot more qpf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah Logan got less than the 3.21, but Logan always reports too low IMHO. YESTERDAY 2.90R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 How are people feeling about this Ohio sliding swipe (B of 2005 style) on next Sunday / Monday (20-21) and the Christmas potential signal? Looks like you ripped a couple of tunes on the 18z GFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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