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The Ole Rope a Dope-- MO

 

Mt Holly

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

 

 

SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY: THIS PERIOD HAS THE MOST UNCERTAINTY. LOW

PRESSURE HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY MODELED TO FORM TO OUR SOUTH AND MOVE

NORTHEAST. HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING IN TO OUR NORTH COUPLED WITH A LOW

TO OUR NORTHEAST MAY LIMIT THE ABILITY OF HEIGHTS TO REBOUND NORTH

IN THIS PERIOD AND ALLOW FOR COLDER AIR TO LINGER. AS A RESULT, THIS

LOW COULD HAVE A MORE FAVORABLE TRACK SOUTH AND EAST OF US FOR

WINTRY PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE REGION. A MORE INLAND TRACK WOULD

LEAD TO A WARMER SOLUTION. THE LAST FEW ECMWF RUNS ARE MORE

INTENSE IN TERMS OF LOWER PRESSURE, TRACKING A LOW FROM ALABAMA

NORTHEAST UP THE COAST. THE CMC MODEL IS QUITE A BIT MORE

SUPPRESSED AND SHEARS THE SYSTEM INTO PIECES KEEPING A WEAKSHORTWAVE ALONG THE GULF COAST, DISCOUNTING THIS. WE ALSO HAVE THE

12Z GFS WHICH HAS A LOW TRACKING TO BUFFALO BEFORE FORMING AN

AWKWARD SECONDARY LOW TO THE SOUTHEAST. APPARENT MODEL BIASES

APPEAR TO BE AT WORK WITH THE GFS AS IT FORMS THE LOW VERY FAR

NORTH OVER TEXAS. A HIGHER RESOLUTION GFS IS MORE IN LINE WITH THEUKMET. THE UKMET HAS A SIMILAR TRACK TO THE ECMWF TILL SATURDAY

MORNING BUT IS MUCH WEAKER. FOR NOW OUR FORECAST WILL REFLECT 1/2

00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN, 1/4 HIRES GFS AND 1/4 UKMET. THIS PLACES

NO EMPHASIS ON THE HIGHLY INTENSE ECMWF OR THE HIGHLY SUSPECT 12ZGFS SOLUTION.

WITH THIS IN MIND, CURRENT THINKING IS THAT LOW PRESSURE TRACKS FROM

THE GULF COAST TO EASTERN TENNESSEE SATURDAY MORNING. THEN A COASTAL

LOW OFF VIRGINA BEACH DEVELOPS WHICH THEN SLIDES EAST/NORTHEAST OF

OUR REGION ON SUNDAY. THIS TRACK ALLOWS FOR BOTH CHANCES OF RAIN AND

SNOW FROM ROUGHLY THE FALL LINE AND POINTS TO THE SOUTHEAST WITH

COASTAL SECTIONS MOST LIKELY TO CHANGE TO ALL RAIN FOR A TIME.

INTERIOR AREAS SUCH AS THE LEHIGH VALLEY AND POCONOS HAVE THE BEST

CHANCE STAYING ALL SNOW. THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR ACCUMULATING SNOW WHICH

COULD IMPACT HOLIDAY TRAVEL. RAISED POPS TO HIGH CHANCE CENTERED ON

SATURDAY NIGHT. DETAILS ARE SILL UNCERTAIN IN THE EXACT TRACK AND

EVOLUTION OF THIS STORM, PLEASE STAY TUNED TO TO FUTURE FORECAST

UPDATES.

 

So what you do here ..is mold every euro run

till it gives you snow????

 

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http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

 

Frazier Corner throws in the Towel

Well there is some swelling above your right eye .....

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Euro ensemble mean is colder and more east than the op.

total mean is  weaker and further east then the op -987 0p  vs. 1006 mean --- the 850 mean is marginal and the surface is too warm which equals liquid in the immediate metro although its not impossible for a flake or 2 to mix in

 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/ecmwf-ens/2014121412/ecmwf-ens_z500_mslp_us_8.png

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total mean is  weaker and further east then the op -987 0p mean 1006 the 850 mean is marginal and the surface is too warm which equals liquid in the immediate metro

 

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/ecmwf-ens/2014121412/ecmwf-ens_z500_mslp_us_8.png

Thanks NAO

 

like the  6Z GFS run I posted this morning

THAT JUST CAN'T BE

The Euro Ens caves to a 6Z GFS  op run????

  

Weenie T-shirts for everyone!!!!

:weenie:

 

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just says snow and rain in evening at the start then a change to all rain

Nope, snow and rain sunday.

SATURDAY NIGHT...CLOUDY. A CHANCE OF SNOW IN THE EVENING

THEN A

CHANCE OF SNOW AND RAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS AROUND 30. CHANCE OF

PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT.

SUNDAY

CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF SNOW AND RAIN. HIGHS IN THE UPPER

30S. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT.

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Nope, snow and rain sunday.

SATURDAY NIGHT...CLOUDY. A CHANCE OF SNOW IN THE EVENING

THEN A

CHANCE OF SNOW AND RAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS AROUND 30. CHANCE OF

PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT.

SUNDAY

CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF SNOW AND RAIN. HIGHS IN THE UPPER

30S. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT.

you in the Bronx ? this is where i got it

 

http://kamala.cod.edu/nj/latest.fpus51.KOKX.html

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No, rockland. It also said the same for orange, putnam, westchester, etc...upton isnt calling for all rain. Maybe for some sections, but not everywhere.

there is a separate folder for the NW burbs I am only discussing immediate NYC metro

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No, rockland. It also said the same for orange, putnam, westchester, etc...upton isnt calling for all rain. Maybe for some sections, but not everywhere.

Yup,  here is my point and click for me,

 

  • Saturday Night A chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 29. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
  • Sunday  A chance of rain and snow. Cloudy, with a high near 36. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
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3 GFS runs and yet another solution .

Bowling for answers ....

So lets recap .

6z Sends a center to ORD then sends a secondary due east off the MA

12z Sends a center to Toronto as it pops a secondary off OBX and takes it ENE 200 miles E of the BM

18z Sends a center to Beckley reforms a center at OBX and takes it NE then swings it back towards CC .

Gun to your head which of the 3 if any do you go with . The Euro for 3 days is roughly showing you 1 center ( a miller A ) off OBX to the BM . And the argument like it always is comes down where the R/S sets up on the coastal plain .

Point and click , GIGO . Plain and simple .

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We wouldn't even talking about storm threats past 3-5 days if there was no Euro model. And you can imagine

how even big a miss there would be on storms right up to the short term  like February 2013 and many

others.

Can you believe all this time and money and the upgrade is a downgrade .If we did this in the private sector they would hold the door .

 

Terrible .

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DM, how did the GFS and its ensembles do for Hagupit?  :ph34r:

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Can you believe all this time and money and the upgrade is a downgrade .If we did this in the private sector they would hold the door .

 

Terrible .

I would like to know who makes the decisions on how to develop these models and how to tweak them to perform better - what agencies in the various countries ?

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DM, how did the GFS and its ensembles do for Hagupit?  :ph34r:

96

 

Better yet...

How was this guidance for the last overblown euro system

 

 

I talked about not buying into the typhoon re-curve

If you can't recall my post

 

euro love.... rule the roost today  :hurrbear: 

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Better yet...

How was this guidance for the last overblown euro system

 

attachicon.gifpost-2352-0-25832600-1417927177.gif

 

I posted about not buying into the typhoon re-curve

If you can't recall my post

 

euro love.... rule the roost today  :hurrbear: 

I am trying to figure out which GFS should we buy today ?

The center moving to Bermuda or the one to Chicago.

You still haven't resolved that for me.

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I am trying to figure out which GFS should we buy today ?

The center moving to Bermuda or the one to Chicago.

You still haven't resolved that for me.

The key is to window shop -

Until you find the one giving you snow

 

EAST TREND

GFS and EURO ENS today

need a hug brother??

 

http://climate.cod.edu/flanis/satellite/hemi/index.php?type=hemi-wv-48

 

70 peeps in the house for a system a week away

 the snow starvation is sad 

:ee:  keep choppin

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The key is to window shop -

Until you find the one giving you snow

 

EAST TREND

GFS and EURO ENS today

need a hug brother??

 

http://climate.cod.edu/flanis/satellite/hemi/index.php?type=hemi-wv-48

 

70 peeps in the house for a system a week away

 the snow starvation is sad 

:ee:  keep choppin

your posts are terrible and narrow sighted...u ride the gfs way to hard its ridiculous u even got made fun of by dt and called out for it pls stop posting thanks

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The key is to window shop -

Until you find the one giving you snow

 

EAST TREND

GFS and EURO ENS today

need a hug brother??

 

http://climate.cod.edu/flanis/satellite/hemi/index.php?type=hemi-wv-48

 

70 peeps in the house for a system a week away

 the snow starvation is sad  :ee:

I don't need snow to show the euro is the superior model .

It's consistent as it takes an OBX to CC track .

I don't look at R/S lines 7 days out.

Your model needs a Xanax . Look at its variance . Its Dizzying .

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