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T-day eve possible SE winter storm (11/26/14)


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Wish we could just lock up the WB clown for the 00z GFS.  So beautiful.  Tinges of pink (9"+) show up around GSO with 6"+ from around Salisbury, NC on N/E from there through Richmond.  Realistically, you can probably cut that in half or more, though, and some of that may not be snow (if any of it is, providing the BL doesn't screw us), though the WB clown for the GFS usually isn't too ridiculous like the Euro one.

 

How does the AmericanWx map look, Pack?

Same as WB one. On my phone so can't post.

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Also, I know there are some BL issues...Well, lets be honest...There really isn't  a good supply of low level cold right now either.

Upper levels look great, if you looked at 850's and the precip you would think a decent winter storm was incoming.m looking at the whole picture this will be a highly elevation driven storm. Folks around 2500-3000+ are going to do well. I'm afraid the rest of us aren't going to get more than some token flakes.

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If the SLP and 850 low track like they are being portrayed on the new GFS and  12z Euro, and if the storm is strengthening as it makes the turn up the coast, I have seen it snow heavily at 33-35 in the WNC foothills and Western Piedmont due to dynamics.

The only issue is the depth of the warm pocket at the sfc. That's something you can't really predict until the event or w/in 24 hours. I think at this point any chance of it snowing at 32 or below is out the window outside of the mtns. The best chance in the foothills is a strong pocket of precip setting up late tuesday night. With that a combo of dynamical cooling/evap' cooling getting the BL down into the mid to low 30's (33-35 range). Where snow can make it down. At this point if it snows hard enough we could get a few wet inches on the grassy areas.

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If the SLP and 850 low track like they are being portrayed on the new GFS and  12z Euro, and if the storm is strengthening as it makes the turn up the coast, I have seen it snow heavily at 33-35 in the WNC foothills and Western Piedmont due to dynamics.

 

 

I think you have a valid point...I remember a lot in the 1980's we would get some big snows with temps 33-34 degrees.

 

Here's the big concern I have if you are believing in the GFS...

The link below is the thermal profile for KMRN at 12z Wednesday...the temp at the SFC is (2.2), then at 950mb (2.9) and tat 900mb (0.9)

 

I personally think that's too thick a layer for precip rates to overcome. I would like to see the profile at 900mb get to freezing and then more in the 1-2 celsius range at 950mb...if that could happen, I think the column all the way down could then cool enough to produce snow at 34-35 degrees...

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/cgi-bin/gen_grbsnd.cgi?id=KMRN&mo=gfs_avn_us&pl=out4&ft=h60&cu=latest&pt=parcel&size=640x480

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Also, I know there are some BL issues...Well, lets be honest...There really isn't  a good supply of low level cold right now either.

 

True, but also look at the snowpack that has been placed. This disturbance is a rippled with cold and warm.  Yea they will get rain in the GL NY area But once the trough digs later this week with the h5 h850 and h925 remaining parrell to the coast along with the leftover cold should be enough for wintry wx.

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The only issue is the depth of the warm pocket at the sfc. That's something you can't really predict until the event or w/in 24 hours. I think at this point any chance of it snowing at 32 or below is out the window outside of the mtns. The best chance in the foothills is a strong pocket of precip setting up late tuesday night. With that a combo of dynamical cooling/evap' cooling getting the BL down into the mid to low 30's (33-35 range). Where snow can make it down. At this point if it snows hard enough we could get a few wet inches on the grassy areas.

Even if it doesn't happen this time, it is great to see this setup now. When this happens again when it is actually winter, the old air will be around.

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I think you have a valid point...I remember a lot in the 1980's we would get some big snows with temps 33-34 degrees.

 

Here's the big concern I have if you are believing in the GFS...

The link below is the thermal profile for KMRN at 12z Wednesday...the temp at the SFC is (2.2), then at 950mb (2.9) and tat 900mb (0.9)

 

I personally think that's too thick a layer for precip rates to overcome. I would like to see the profile at 900mb get to freezing and then more in the 1-2 celsius range at 950mb...if that could happen, I think the column all the way down could then cool enough to produce snow at 34-35 degrees...

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/cgi-bin/gen_grbsnd.cgi?id=KMRN&mo=gfs_avn_us&pl=out4&ft=h60&cu=latest&pt=parcel&size=640x480

 

Totally agree, it certainly needs to be a few degrees colder in order to really cool the column to all snow.. I think (like others have said) this may be an elevation dependent type deal with areas over 3k feet doing well. It will be very interesting to see what the Euro says later..

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Okay, for the KCAE people.  No go, there will be no go at all.  It's warm, most areas even in NC/N.Ga are too warm.  Just wanted to give you guys that info.  Even if the Euro OP came in tonight with a Blizzard in KCAE, it's a jinx run.

 

Sorry guys, we got lucky on Nov. 1st and this is not the kind of system coming up to give us anything other than a cold cold rain. 

If this system was here in the middle of Jan. or Feb, or even early March; we could be looking at a Winter storm.  Just the wrong time currently.

 

To be even looking at potential Winter weather for areas outside of the mountains this early is a great sign though.  I personally think there is going to be a warm-up in the Southeast.... and we could even see above normal temps through the first couple weeks of December.  It'll flip, and hopefully at the right time for us all.

 

Late December (around Christmas/New Years), Feb (brutal month of cold in the USA imo), and first half of March) should be fun and games.

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The Euro tracks the surface low right over the OBX, which makes it a western outlier at this point.  We'll see.  Not really what I wanted to see, though...

 

EDIT: Actually, the track is slightly inland over the Albemarle-Pamlico Peninsula, which is usually a no-go anywhere east of the mountains no matter what time of year it is.

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The 06z NAM is different.  Kind of a sheared out mess, from what I saw before hitting the sack.  Surface temps appeared to be a little cooler (not that they're still not way too warm, verbatim), but precip was much lesser.  West of I-85 doesn't get a lot of precip.

 

And, no, I wasn't staying up for the 06z NAM.  I'm just furiously trying to finish up a project/paper that's due on Tuesday.  :whistle:

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