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Speaking of which, Logan is testing out some nice snow removal equipment and was awarded as one of the top airports for snow removal in the country over the past several years. Basically, it means they know how to get the job done.

 

We bought a new snowblower? Winter cancel.

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Speaking of which, Logan is testing out some nice snow removal equipment and was awarded as one of the top airports for snow removal in the country over the past several years. Basically, it means they know how to get the job done.

 

BDL used to be like that.  I don't what happened.  They were like BGR and bascially never closed and were backups for Boston and New York during big events.  I seem to recall that BOS used to shut down more and transatlantic flights would have to layover at BGR until it re-opened.  I know that more than a few times they would do that at BDL.  Now BDL seems to close if there's more than a few inches...lol.

 

Good for Logan!

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12 noon and once again Bradley Airport is running 2-3 degrees higher than all of the other reporting stations in the area at 34 degrees.

 

 

Yeah their thermo has probably gone haywire...hopefully they will fix it soon. It happend to the AFN ASOS thermometer a couple years back.

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Dude I would be out there on the half hour plucking away, decks, sliders, doors, paths, etc. I did that in blizz 13 and was exhausted but kept it clear. In Jan 11 I did not and had trouble opening the door in the am, vowed to never get in that situation again.

Sultan of shovels?
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Will they clear it out in time for Jets, Bills on Sunday? Already hearing rumblings that it might get moved to Monday night.

probably Saturdays high is 38 on the GFS and Sunday 41, doubt that will help. they spend 86 hrs above freezing per GFS  with .35 rain then yikes next weekend another LES setup

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Not sure. 30:1 seems nearly impossible with these rates over the course of 6-12 hour clearing intervals though so it's hard to compare. The bottom of the pack is screaming for its mama like Jim Kelly in the SB.

 

When it's really dumping, so that your 6-hr sweep measures about 20", the settle/crush effect makes me doubt there would be less than 0.7" LE in that stack.  Maybe at 11,000' in the Wasatch Range.  Seems like LES often comes with fairly brisk wind, which also lowers the ratio.

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As much as I love snow, those pictures are a little terrifying. Imagine if a widespread--nor'easter type--event did something like this in the I 95 corridor? Imagine it was followed by a severe and really long lasting arctic outbreak? It would be one of the great disasters of all time. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple--even three--feet laid down in a three day storm. But what's happening out of this LES event on a widerspread basis would be impossible. I wonder how they are going to dig out of it.

 

I picture March 1888, Hudson Valley version (40-50" with 60 mph winds, 30 ft drifts, temps 30F below avg) translocated to eastern SNE.  Rt 128 would stay blocked for a month.  And that kind of wind would knock power out for most folks where lines are above ground, just as happened in '88.

 

Deepest snowpack I've experienced was 65" in Ft. Kent (March 1984), and that would've been a lot taller if the thaw during the last 10 days of Feb hadn't chopped the depth from 59" down to 35".  No 20:1 stuff there - with all the earlier ZR/IP in its midst, the pack ratio was closer to 4:1.

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Sapporo Japan has snow depths like that fairly frequently. They average like 250 inches of snow per year. Population there is about 2 million people.

 

They have some pretty cool machinery to handle it. It's hard for us to envision that type of snow where a lot of people live until we see something like it closer to home.

What is it about their climate that engenders such ludicrous depths?

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I picture March 1888, Hudson Valley version (40-50" with 60 mph winds, 30 ft drifts, temps 30F below avg) translocated to eastern SNE.  Rt 128 would stay blocked for a month.  And that kind of wind would knock power out for most folks where lines are above ground, just as happened in '88.

 

Deepest snowpack I've experienced was 65" in Ft. Kent (March 1984), and that would've been a lot taller if the thaw during the last 10 days of Feb hadn't chopped the depth from 59" down to 35".  No 20:1 stuff there - with all the earlier ZR/IP in its midst, the pack ratio was closer to 4:1.

I'll go on record as saying that this season has as great a likelihood as any to feature something extraordinary in this neck of the woods.

I think what happened in NY maybe in auger of what lies in store for us.

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the theme remains the same on the 12z gfs parallel and Canadian models, cutters and cold fronts and transitory high pressure systems, with a mean storm track to the west and a weak ana- front /coastal wave potential pre-Thanksgiving probably still too warm for snow.

Cutters are climatologically favored in Novermber, which is why we average like 2-3" of snow throughout most of the region.

Frequent incursions of arctic air and stratospheric warming over the pole is all I need to see this month.

My pre Thanksgiving appetite is already whetted.

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I've been dreaming of a 1888 redux. I had about 24 in NEMO, now I'm ready for about 48 baby!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I'd never predict something like that, but if it were to ever occur...this is the type of season, theoretically speaking, in which we'd see it.

The amount of luck involved in something of that ilk makes it pretty much impossible to predict, though.

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What is it about their climate that engenders such ludicrous depths?

 

 

They are in far northern Japan..similar latitude as perhaps Concord, NH. They are plenty cold usually in winter for snow with that latitude given that Siberia is to their west...however, in between them and Siberia they have the Sea of Japan...which provides a ton of moisture for storm systems moving over...esp coming off the frigid Siberia mainland. But it's not so huge of a body fo water to the west like the Pacific ocean which torches the boundary layer like it does in Seattle or Portland OR...it's a happy medium.

 

Perfect place for Japanese snow weenies.

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Don't get me wrong, I'd never predict something like that, but if it were to ever occur...this is the type of season, theoretically speaking, in which we'd see it.

The amount of luck involved in something of that ilk makes it pretty much impossible to predict, though.

If Mother Snow is listening....My weenie is raised.
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They are in far northern Japan..similar latitude as perhaps Concord, NH. They are plenty cold usually in winter for snow with that latitude given that Siberia is to their west...however, in between them and Siberia they have the Sea of Japan...which provides a ton of moisture for storm systems moving over...esp coming off the frigid Siberia mainland. But it's not so huge of a body fo water to the west like the Pacific ocean which torches the boundary layer like it does in Seattle or Portland OR...it's a happy medium.

 

Perfect place for Japanese snow weenies.

I figured that had something to do with it.

They must get some oes attributable egg rolls tossed their way, too.

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BDL used to be like that.  I don't what happened.  They were like BGR and bascially never closed and were backups for Boston and New York during big events.  I seem to recall that BOS used to shut down more and transatlantic flights would have to layover at BGR until it re-opened.  I know that more than a few times they would do that at BDL.  Now BDL seems to close if there's more than a few inches...lol.

 

Good for Logan!

 

Except for the New Year's Eve blizzard in 1962, BGR's version of 3/1888, I'm not sure if they ever close for wx.  12,000' of runway and wide open airspace adds flexibility on top of their first-rate clearing equipment.

 

Will they clear it out in time for Jets, Bills on Sunday? Already hearing rumblings that it might get moved to Monday night.

 

The folks in Foxboro did okay with the 12/5-6/2003 event, 18" of 10:1 snow, for the game on 12/7.  The workers at Rich probably have better snowmoving capacity than at Foxboro.

 

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Except for the New Year's Eve blizzard in 1962, BGR's version of 3/1888, I'm not sure if they ever close for wx.  12,000' of runway and wide open airspace adds flexibility on top of their first-rate clearing equipment.

 

Will they clear it out in time for Jets, Bills on Sunday? Already hearing rumblings that it might get moved to Monday night.

 

The folks in Foxboro did okay with the 12/5-6/2003 event, 18" of 10:1 snow for the game on 12/7.  The workers at Rich probably have better snowmoving capacity than at Foxboro.

 

They had over 2' in that storm actually.

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