CoastalWx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah I seem to recall that now. I don't even know how anyone there is measuring this. You have snow blowing out of trees, off of buildings, around Scott Norwood's legs and it gets deposited in the most "sheltered" area possible. I would imagine that after clearing 15"/6hr that your measuring area wants to just fill back in with 4ft around it and 30-40mph winds. We were talking about that at work. I think eventually you have to abandon the snowboard and just stick a ruler in the ground. It becomes impossible to measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It has to be getting to the point where it's just too much snow to sustain itself. That 2001 BUF event they had 80 something inches with a max depth of 45" I believe. They could theoretically get 1ft new in 6hrs and see a negligible increase in the depth. This event definitely has more weight to it. The lower foot of so is thick slop...2 cardiac arrest that resulted in death from shoveling snow so far. =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 We all want the latest and greatest event to be THE BEST EVER! lol. I just think even for them, this is pretty nuts going by the photos. I wonder if anyone is actually measuring every 6 hours? Or if there's just 48-60" on the ground? Looks like there should be depths around 5 feet from some of these photos. I really wish I did...It is very tough with the wind though to get an accurate measurement. I wish there was a mathematically algorithm based on QPF to accurately calculate ground level snowfall amounts without measurement for instances such as these...Impossible to get an accurate measurement with 30 MPH winds and some 40 MPH gusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Just how serious and bad it has gotten @EricHolthaus: Heroic effort in the snow tonight. RT @DenmannSr: http://t.co/sw6z1UbJBt Buffalo firefighters carrying a patient 10 blocks to mercy hospital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I thought that was discredited? I think Adams with 68" is the state record. This storm is close. Edit...yes Adams is the official state record on January 9th, 1976. They had 36" in 9 hours too that day. For the 24 hour records , Adams and Montague are very sparsely populated areas in the Tug Hill. Montague has a population of 78. Some of these Buffalo suburbs have over 20K people so the societal impact is much greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'm sure Kevin is available to shovel your driveway I am not sure yet. I will try to go out tomorrow to get some better video. Houses are going to be piles of snow by Thursday afternoon. They already canceled my training for tomorrow and looks to be no work as well. Not sure about Thurs yet. I just need some sleep, but I am the ultimate Lake effect snow weenie. It is going to take a few days to clear out the driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 This event definitely has more weight to it. The lower foot of so is thick slop...2 cardiac arrest that resulted in death from shoveling snow so far. =(Yeah...it definitely started "wetter". The base itself is going to become more dense just from the extreme compaction rates. 3ft of new snow on top of a previous fresh foot is a lot of weight. I hope someone at least attempted 6hr measurements and melted cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 SSW [Possible window blow-in's due to severe snow pressure. All persons should move to the center of the house, away from windows.] not your typical fluff bomb, this baby has meat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah...it definitely started "wetter". The base itself is going to become more dense just from the extreme compaction rates. 3ft of new snow on top of a previous fresh foot is a lot of weight. I hope someone at least attempted 6hr measurements and melted cores. I really hope so too. I know a member of the NWS lives in Elma which should be ground zero. I'm holding out hopes for that location in comparison to any others. Not to mention TWC has 3 people stationed in Hamburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 In what way? Remember this one? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/news/2001/2001-12-28-buffalo-snow.htm Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 People can get to hospitals, so babies being delivered the old fashioned way: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah...it definitely started "wetter". The base itself is going to become more dense just from the extreme compaction rates. 3ft of new snow on top of a previous fresh foot is a lot of weight. I hope someone at least attempted 6hr measurements and melted cores.Cocorahs has 1.2 for the first 18 on the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 not your typical fluff bomb, this baby has meatEF5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cocorahs in West Seneca and Elma are doing cores in the AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cocorahs in West Seneca and Elma are doing cores in the AM Ty Ginx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cocorahs in West Seneca and Elma are doing cores in the AM How do you take a core of 70" of snow? Color me skeptical. Unless you were doing 6 hour cores and you had a magical way of mounting a board on top of the snow I dunno how the hell that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 There we go... Interesting stat: National 24hr record for snow: 76", Silver Lake, CO. Some BUF suburbs approached this today - possibly highest 24hr snow in a populated area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Reports of a roof collapse with trapped person in Hamburg off the ABC 7 buffalo web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It is amazing that in 24-36 hours some spots are getting more than the entire seasonal snow totals for some New England cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Lurker Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It is amazing that in 24-36 hours some spots are getting more than the entire seasonal snow totals for some New England cities.Never thought of it like that. Simply unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Should have said reporting cores in the AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Meanwhile wind keeping temperatures steady here. 22/8. Has not really budged for hours. Springfield's record is 18F, see if they can smack that tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It is amazing that in 24-36 hours some spots are getting more than the entire seasonal snow totals for some New England cities. Doubling it possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 How do you take a core of 70" of snow? Color me skeptical. Unless you were doing 6 hour cores and you had a magical way of mounting a board on top of the snow I dunno how the hell that works. I've done it on Mansfield. It's possible. The Adirondack snow sampler is a 60" tube but if you keep your fist at the top, you can "punch" the snow down and just compress it to get the full depth in there. Then you just weigh it and get the liquid equiv. of course it's really only going to be useful to the nearest .25-.5" of liquid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It's bad, man died of a heart attack, ambulance got stuck, front end loader got stuck, then an army truck towed a vehicle with emts and the man to the hospital but too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 People can get to hospitals, so babies being delivered the old fashioned way: Pretty crazy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 yeah my seasonal average is 49. there is probably already six or seven towns ahead of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I've done it on Mansfield. It's possible. The Adirondack snow sampler is a 60" tube but if you keep your fist at the top, you can "punch" the snow down and just compress it to get the full depth in there. Then you just weigh it and get the liquid equiv. of course it's really only going to be useful to the nearest .25-.5" of liquid.looking forward to seeing those Cocorahs reports, hopefully they are doing 6 hour core samples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 @WxDeFlitch: Difficult to tell if it's lightning, but superb shot of snow squall tonight near Buffalo #NYwx http://t.co/f48F2ltto1 http://t.co/Fvi3rPv6pL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 SNOW LOADS by Darren Deberry Nations Roof of Connecticut Nations Roof has compiled a roof service plan for the excessive snow loads due to the accumulation of snow and ice. First, ice storms are expected to leave from one to three inches, then large snowfalls will add to the total weight that trusses and rafters must support. Because of the ice layer, snow cannot melt, and it is likely that the layer of ice will not melt until the spring. Each additional snowfall this year will intensify the weight problem. How much weight can most roofs take? Snow loads for buildings in the eastern regions are generally around 20 lbs. per square foot. This does not include the weight of the roof membrane, trusses and any HVAC equip- ment on the roof areas. How Much Does Snow Weigh? A one-inch layer of water or ice weighs approximately five lbs. per square foot. A roof designed for a 20 lb. per square foot snow load could theoretically hold up to four inches of ice. How much snow is that? Meteorologists estimate that about 12 inches of snow is equivalent to one inch of water, which means a roof can hold up to four feet of snow. Wet and packed snow weighs more, so a roof with a load of wet snow or packed snow might only to be able to handle up to three feet of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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