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Winter 2014-15 Short Term Discussion


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If they (ratios) are anything like last night its gonna be nothing more than a mood dust.

Last nights ratios were about 11:1. Its all going to depend....temps once again will be brutally cold when the snow is falling, but this clipper is of different origin, a true clipper from Canada (which often have good ratios), and while it will not have near the moisture last nights clipper did, this is sort of a MI special, not a fringe job like last night.

 

At this point with no big storms on the horizon but lots of cold, might as well take all of the snow we can get as our snowcover will slowly be added upon. This sugar does not settle much, unlike fluffy powder either.

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Will just post this here....With high pressure build from the NW on Monday we will see a period of onshore flow across the Western Great Lakes. Delta T's are around -15C and with NNE winds, the best convergence focuses on SE WI, possibly far NE IL While the boundary layer will be centered in the DGZ, inversion heights could be better and subsidence will be an issue above the inversion. At this time, I can't see anything more than 1".

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Maybe we'll see that clipper entering the region around D3.5 trend south some as that seems to be the case with those types of systems. The H5 setup is not terribly hostile to that kind of trend.

 

Even if a southern track were to occur it wouldn't be anything more than 1.0" at best. Other than that, nothing really in sight. Maybe the threat of some light snow/mixing this weekend from another clipper. Moreover, another 2.5" and we'll be ahead of 09-10.  :lmao:

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Yes, 2009-10 is remembered fondly in the US, but it was an absolute bust in Toronto and not much better in Ottawa either. I believe it was the driest winter on record for Toronto, with records going back to 1840.

I remember that winter well because Mike about lost it :lol:. It was overall a very average winter here snow-wise (with a disproportionately heavy amount of snow falling in Feb then a snowless March), if you want to split hairs a TAD above normal actually, but it was still the red-headed stepchild of the 4-year snow blitz of 2007-08 thru 2010-11. The other 3 winters each had around 2 feet+ more snow than 2009-10. Also, I remember that was the funky winter where Maine was torching and seeing bare ground in Feb while everyone else was cold. It was really only fondly remembered in the midatlantic states, not only because they were buried in feet of snow, but also because in the several winters before AND after they were lucky to see the grass tips covered for a few hours once or twice the entire winter.

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Yes, 2009-10 is remembered fondly in the US, but it was an absolute bust in Toronto and not much better in Ottawa either. I believe it was the driest winter on record for Toronto, with records going back to 1840.

 

YYZ in 2009-10 recorded 5.10" of precipitation for DJF. Basically impossible to find an already computed table of DJF stats for YYZ, but just a cursory investigation by yours truly shows that it wasn't the driest winter on record. The following winter, 2010-11, had just 4.95" of precipitation for YYZ during DJF for eg.

 

If by driest, you mean least snowiest, that record was set in 2009-10 but then broken again two winters later in 2011-12. The current futility mark is 16.9" set in 2011-12.

 

And NE lower MI was suffering with us too. :cry:

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I remember that winter well because Mike about lost it :lol:. It was overall a very average winter here snow-wise (with a disproportionately heavy amount of snow falling in Feb then a snowless March), if you want to split hairs a TAD above normal actually, but it was still the red-headed stepchild of the 4-year snow blitz of 2007-08 thru 2010-11. The other 3 winters each had around 2 feet+ more snow than 2009-10. Also, I remember that was the funky winter where Maine was torching and seeing bare ground in Feb while everyone else was cold. It was really only fondly remembered in the midatlantic states, not only because they were buried in feet of snow, but also because in the several winters before AND after they were lucky to see the grass tips covered for a few hours once or twice the entire winter.

 

lol, I was losing it as recently as last winter while Toronto was missing out on a historic winter. It's been a rough stretch. This winter's kind of blah too but at 28 you have to grow up and put this stuff into perspective. It's weather. It's going to do what it's going to do. And throwing temper tantrums about it is akin to insanity.

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lol, I was losing it as recently as last winter while Toronto was missing out on a historic winter. It's been a rough stretch. This winter's kind of blah too but at 28 you have to grow up and put this stuff into perspective. It's weather. It's going to do what it's going to do. And throwing temper tantrums about it is akin to insanity.

what was Torontos final snowfall last winter?

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Todays snow dropped 1.0" at DTW and 0.9" imby. What is weird is that through the day, though the ground remains frozen & the high hit 31F with no snow, the surface must still have been a bit mushy from all the recent snowmelt, because in spots that were bare some of the snow melted/soaked up/morphed into the ground it seems throughout the afternoon, but in spots where there was old glacier snow it didnt really budge. Hard to believe but we have nickeled and dimed our way to double-digit January snow totals (10.0" imby & 10.4" at DTW) with more on the way.

 

Seeing how ratios were near a good 15-20:1 today and tomorrow we will be colder and in better banding, thinking a good 2-3" tomorrow in this winter of the clippers.

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LOT...

 

847 PM CST  
 
MAIN FOCUS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE EVENING THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT  
IS WITH DRIZZLE/FREEZING DRIZZLE/LIGHT SNOW. TEMPS HAVE BEEN ABLE  
TO COOL BELOW FREEZING ACROSS FAR NORTHEAST IL WITH WINDS FROM THE  
NORTHEAST USHERING IN SLIGTHLY COOLER/DRIER AIR. HOWEVER ACROSS  
THE HEART OF THE FORECAST AREA TEMPS REMAIN AROUND FREEZING WITH  
DEW POINTS HOVERING NEAR 30 DEGREES. THE LACK OF LIFT WILL PREVENT  
PARCELS FROM BEING ABLE TO TRANSITION INTO DENDRITES...WHICH WILL  
LIKELY MAINTAIN THE PATCHY DRIZZLE/FREEZING DRIZZLE. AS THE MID-  
LVL WAVE SLOWLY SLIDES SOUTHEAST ACROSS IOWA INTO NORTHWEST  
IL...THIS WILL INTRODUCE SOME OMEGA INTO THE BOUNDARY LAYER. THIS  
SHOULD ALLOW PARCELS TO LIFT...HOWEVER BUFKIT SOUNDINGS ALL  
SUGGEST THE SATURATION/MOISTURE WILL RESIDE BELOW THE DENDRITIC  
GROWTH ZONE. THEN AROUND DAYBREAK OR JUST PRIOR TO DAYBREAK  
MOISTURE CREEPS UP TOWARDS THE DGZ. AS A RESULT HAVE PUSHED THE  
MENTION OF LIGHT SNOW OFF UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT. THAT BEING  
SAID...STILL HAVE CONCERNS ON HOW MUCH SNOW MAY BE ABLE TO  
ACCUMULATE AS THE SATURATION DOES NOT REMAIN WITHIN THE DGZ FOR  
LONGER THAN A COUPLE HOURS AND LIFT IS RATHER WEAK THROUGHOUT THE  
PERIOD.  

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