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Because it hasn't been made yet, and because we have interesting weather to deal with.

 

A very cold airmass has invaded east of the Cascades. There's one near-sea-level gap in the Cascades, at the Columbia River Gorge. Currently the east winds are blowing hard through the Columbia River Gorge into the Portland metropolitan area.

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A storm moving in from the southwest will throw moisture over this airmass tonight and tomorrow morning. Many models suggest 850mb temperatures will be +1 to +2 for the bulk of the precip, and some of the models suggest surface temperatures will warm from near freezing at the start to the mid to upper 30s by the end of the precipitation.

 

Not all models suggest this, and for good reason. Especially the high-resolution models hint that the air coming out of the Gorge will be cold enough and deep enough to keep the precipitation frozen, largely in the form of snow. This is a borderline situation (they usually are for Portland), but right now, I'm leaning towards mostly or all snow for the Portland metro area, especially Multnomah County (Washington and northern Clackamas Counties may turn over to rain, southern Clackamas County will most certainly, but they're not really part of the metro area).

 

If it's all snow, Portland could expect 2 to 5 inches. Given that up until this morning, the NWS was calling for POSSIBLY up to a half an inch (they have actually changed that to 1.5-2.5 inches, so they're catching on faster than the models), and that most local news outlets are still going for no accumulations, that could be a pretty big 24-hour "bust".

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freezing rain/ sleet with nearly gale force wind gusts at Portland

 

Conditions at: KPDX observed 13 November 2014  16:24 UTC  Temperature: 34°F Dewpoint: 24°F Winds: from the E (90 degrees) at 26 MPH (23 knots) gusting to 38 MPH (33 knots) Visibility: 10 or more miles (16+ km) Present Weather: -FZRA PL  (light freezing rain, ice pellets)

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So Portland got .1in zr and .1in ip?  Sucks. 

 

Big snows all over central OR.  11" total here at my home in Bend but much more in areas around me. 

 

I just moved here in July from VA. It was so frustrating hearing locals and the local KTVZ weather "forecasters" keep talking about all the freezing rain here.  It sleeted here in Bend most of Thursday night, there was little or no freezing rain.  Hate it when TV weather people do not even know basic weather.

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Big snows all over central OR.  11" total here at my home in Bend but much more in areas around me. 

 

I just moved here in July from VA. It was so frustrating hearing locals and the local KTVZ weather "forecasters" keep talking about all the freezing rain here.  It sleeted here in Bend most of Thursday night, there was little or no freezing rain.  Hate it when TV weather people do not even know basic weather.

 

It's possible it was freezing rain in other parts of town, but ya, it's also possible they just don't know the difference. :P

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There are 966mb and 962mb lows in the northeast Pacific, as analyzed by the GFS this afternoon. Look at these huge arms of clouds connected to the swirls, with lots of details in the cloud features.  The SLP values are around 2-3 standard deviations below normal, at about 45N/150W (the location of the 966mb low)

 

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The models are spinning up a small, potent surface low rotating around that larger trough on Thursday. There's quite a bit of variability on the strength of the storm as it moves northward along the Oregon coast, but it's looking quite possible that the Willamette Valley, including Portland, could be in for a brief, major wind storm on Thursday. The GFS has consistently shown a sub-980mb low riding up the coast with very tight gradients extending into the Willamette Valley, funneling wind northward down the valley. The latest 4km WRF run with GFS boundary conditions produces sustained winds over 50kts and gusts over 70kts in the Valley. If this were to happen, it would rival some of the other great wind storms in the region, perhaps even approaching (but almost definitely not actually reaching or exceeding) the intensity of the infamous Columbus Day Storm of October 1962.

 

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The models are spinning up a small, potent surface low rotating around that larger trough on Thursday. There's quite a bit of variability on the strength of the storm as it moves northward along the Oregon coast, but it's looking quite possible that the Willamette Valley, including Portland, could be in for a brief, major wind storm on Thursday. The GFS has consistently shown a sub-980mb low riding up the coast with very tight gradients extending into the Willamette Valley, funneling wind northward down the valley. The latest 4km WRF run with GFS boundary conditions produces sustained winds over 50kts and gusts over 70kts in the Valley. If this were to happen, it would rival some of the other great wind storms in the region, perhaps even approaching (but almost definitely not actually reaching or exceeding) the intensity of the infamous Columbus Day Storm of October 1962.

 

Looks somewhat reminiscent of the South Valley Surprise on Feb 7th, 2002 in terms of how tightly wound it is, although this system appears stronger and is on a different track. The intense winds with that were entirely driven by the gradient given that the system overall was not excessively deep. That said, it experienced a very rapid cyclogenesis/pressure falls/rises. These tight, small cyclones have produced, as you say, some of the more impressive wind events in the region. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see some damaging winds further north into WA/perhaps SW BC given the progged track (especially if it moves a bit further west).

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That is nasty looking. This probably will be the most significant wind storm in several years up here. Wouldn't be too surprised if it ends up deeper than forecast given the intensity of the divergence aloft in the left exit region of that jet. Given the rather small size of the system, that could translate to some rather extreme cyclogenesis/frontogenesis.

 

Haven't seen one on this track in awhile. CIPS analogs have both November 1981 and December 1995 among them for 12z.

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That is nasty looking. This probably will be the most significant wind storm in several years up here. Wouldn't be too surprised if it ends up deeper than forecast given the intensity of the divergence aloft in the left exit region of that jet. Given the rather small size of the system, that could translate to some rather extreme cyclogenesis/frontogenesis.

 

Haven't seen one on this track in awhile. CIPS analogs have both November 1981 and December 1995 among them for 12z.

 

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Bay Area school districts are canceling schools tomorrow....this is a relatively new policy as I do not recall "rain days" growing up in the East Bay.....1972 to 2004.....never ever did this happen....is this one forecast to be especially bad? High wind? Anyway I wish I was home to witness....CA has great weather but can rock in the winter sometimes.....1997 for instance....epic....

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Bay Area school districts are canceling schools tomorrow....this is a relatively new policy as I do not recall "rain days" growing up in the East Bay.....1972 to 2004.....never ever did this happen....is this one forecast to be especially bad? High wind? Anyway I wish I was home to witness....CA has great weather but can rock in the winter sometimes.....1997 for instance....epic....

 

Probably the high wind.

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Looks like it's probably going to be stronger, but further west, than modeled... which is common with these things. That probably means the inland locations like Portland and Seattle will have more of a "once every few winters" type windstorm rather than a "once every few decades" one. Gusts of 45-60 or so.

 

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Tracking Bay Area impact from SNE......looks like a doozy.....>100,000 without power......flash flood warnings most Bay Area counties......Embarcadero shut down from AT&T Park north to Pier 39 due to sea water overtopping sea wall.....and found this lol pic on twitter....looks like it could be somewhere in Oakland before you get on the Bay Bridge....

 

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Looks like it's probably going to be stronger, but further west, than modeled... which is common with these things. That probably means the inland locations like Portland and Seattle will have more of a "once every few winters" type windstorm rather than a "once every few decades" one. Gusts of 45-60 or so.

 

Agreed with this.

 

Traditionally, these years that have had a number of storms already (as we have) tend to lead up to something bigger. It's been over seven years since the Great Gale of 2007, and nearly eight years since the Hanukkah Eve Storm of 2006 and it seems like we're overdue for another major one.

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