powderfreak Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Patrol says it's been snowing up high most of the afternoon but just a coating so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I grabbed the relevant sections of the BTV NWS forecast discussion and they're pasted below. It doesn’t look like anything too outrageous in terms of snowfall, but hopefully it will be a decent event that can freshen the slopes before whatever snow comes into the area at the beginning of next week. AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT 339 PM EST WED DEC 17 2014 .SYNOPSIS... A DEVELOPING AREA OF LOW PRESSURE OFF THE COAST OF NEW ENGLAND WILL BRING UNSETTLED CONDITIONS TO THE NORTH COUNTRY THROUGH THURSDAY AS IT TRACKS NORTHEAST INTO THE GULF OF MAINE. RAIN SHOWERS ACROSS THE REGION TODAY WILL CHANGE TO SNOW TONIGHT WITH SOME LIGHT ACCUMULATIONS EXPECTED AT THE VALLEY FLOOR THROUGH TOMORROW, WHILE HIGHER ELEVATIONS WILL SEE CONSIDERABLY MORE. .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM THURSDAY MORNING/... AS OF 339 PM EST WEDNESDAY...AS EXPECTED, MUCH OF THE NORTH COUNTRY IS SEEING A LULL IN PRECIPITATION THIS AFTERNOON AS THE PRIMARY SURFACE LOW NORTHWEST OF THE CWA FROM EARLIER THIS MORNING IS TRANSFERRING ENERGY TO A DEVELOPING LOW OFF THE NEW ENGLAND COAST. AS THIS NEW LOW STRENGTHENS THIS EVENING AND BEGINS TO TRACK NORTH TOWARD THE BAY OF FUNDY PRECIPITATION WILL FILL BACK IN AND TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW AS THERMAL PROFILES COOL ON DEVELOPING NORTHWEST FLOW AND COLD AIR ADVECTION. INITIALLY, PRECIP WILL BE RATHER WIDESPREAD BUT BECOME MORE OROGRAPHIC IN NATURE AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSES AND WITH FROUDE NUMBERS OFF OUR LOCALLY RUN 4KM WRF INDICATING SUB-CRITICAL TO BLOCKED FLOW. OVERALL QPF ISN`T TOO TREMENDOUS THOUGH SO THINKING A DUSTING TO AN INCH OF SNOW ACROSS THE VALLEY FLOOR, WITH UP TO 4" ACROSS THE HIGH PEAKS. LOWS WILL GENERALLY RUN IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOW 30S. .SHORT TERM /6 AM THURSDAY MORNING THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/... AS OF 339 PM EST WEDNESDAY...AFOREMENTIONED SURFACE LOW CONTINUES IT`S SLOW TREK NORTHEASTWARD FROM THE BAY OF FUNDY THURSDAY MORNING TO THE GULF OF ST. LAWRENCE BY FRIDAY MORNING. SUFFICIENT LOW LEVEL MOISTURE REMAINS ACROSS THE NORTH COUNTRY THURSDAY WITH FAVORABLE CONDITIONS FOR UPSLOPE SNOWS TO CONTINUE ACROSS THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE ADIRONDACKS AND NORTHERN GREEN MOUNTAINS THROUGH THE DAY. WHILE THE VALLEY FLOOR WILL SEE LITTLE TO NO SNOW, THE CLIMO FAVORED UPSLOPE LOCALES ALONG THE NORTHERN GREENS WILL SEE ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 2-4" OF SNOW. BY THURSDAY NIGHT THOUGH MOISTURE BEGINS TO THIN AS THE LOW PULLS FURTHER EAST AND HIGH PRESSURE ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES BUILDS EASTWARD. A FEW LINGERING SNOW SHOWERS REMAIN POSSIBLE, BUT SHOULD END BY EARLY FRIDAY MORNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That's how the summits average 300" but the towns get like 120". Usually 3" in town can translate to a pow day on the slopes. especially when it is uplsope. not uncommon to have 2" at 1500' and 12"+ at 3000' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hopefully Bolton cashes in (which I think they will). As for the long range the Euro for Christmas is a disaster with a a 960's bomb north of Detroit on Christmas Eve. that would be a real punch to the gut. hate cutters. just like last year. I choose to believe it will change for the better. it is still 8 days out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 especially when it is uplsope. not uncommon to have 2" at 1500' and 12"+ at 3000' Yeah I'm realizing too for whatever reason your area near Sugarbush has a real huge gradient sometimes. Like if 12+ falls at 3000ft, I'm gonna see at least 7" at 1500ft snowboard...but very well could be 2-3" at 750ft in town. But it's more tired to distance from the crest than elevation, so your 1500ft at SB must be further east from the crest than say 1500ft on Mansfield...if that makes sense. Because you guys do often get some pretty sizeable differences in upslope events between top and bottom. We do too but often it's like a 3-5" difference, instead of like 8-10". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 I will say the snowpack didn't even blink today with the rain. This concrete has some staying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Yeah I'm realizing too for whatever reason your area near Sugarbush has a real huge gradient sometimes. Like if 12+ falls at 3000ft, I'm gonna see at least 7" at 1500ft snowboard...but very well could be 2-3" at 750ft in town. But it's more tired to distance from the crest than elevation, so your 1500ft at SB must be further east from the crest than say 1500ft on Mansfield...if that makes sense. Because you guys do often get some pretty sizeable differences in upslope events between top and bottom. We do too but often it's like a 3-5" difference, instead of like 8-10". I've been there consistently the last 8 seasons and I'd say there has been at least 2 events a season with a huge gradient. So much so that the totals from the upper 1000' was hard to believe. Not so much last season. It's either due to topography or possibly proximity to chaimplain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 All snow at Sugarloaf today so far, 3-4 inches, and they have opened up Brackett Basin (earliest opening ever). Wow, that's pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Northern and Western Maine is killing it this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Northern and Western Maine is killing it this year Yeah, wonder what they have for a seasonal total so far up high on Sunday River and Sugarloaf. Seems like this stretch of the Greens is in the 70-85" range to date. They should be beating us it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Light snow now below 1,000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Snowing, blowing, and sticking up at the base of the mountain right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Bullish zone forecast for Lamoille County with 4-6" accumulation, but that has to be skewed a lot by the high uninhabited terrain, as usually a zone forecast accum of that amount would trigger a headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Yeah, wonder what they have for a seasonal total so far up high on Sunday River and Sugarloaf. Seems like this stretch of the Greens is in the 70-85" range to date. They should be beating us it seems. We're trying very hard to get the ski resorts on board with providing snowfall to us (a la BTV). We're testing it with a few NH mountains this year and hope that western ME catches on next winter. I have to think we could find a couple enthusiastic Loafers to provide snow. And maybe Ginxy wants to post up at SR for the winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Got a nice clean up coating of a fresh solid inch over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adk Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Really hard to tell how much it snowed....it blew every which way! Also flake size and shape wasn't great. Little too warm and little too much N wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Really hard to tell how much it snowed....it blew every which way! Also flake size and shape wasn't great. Little too warm and little too much N wind. Took forever for the low levels to cool last night and winds to finally turn northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Man, What a run Northern Maine has been on so far and its not even winter yet...............lol 000NOUS41 KCAR 181503PNSCARMEZ001>006-010-011-015>017-029>032-190303-PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENTSPOTTER REPORTSNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CARIBOU ME1003 AM EST THU DEC 18 2014THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 24HOURS FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATIONIS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...CWOPOBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS...FACEBOOK FANS...AND MEDIA FOR THESEREPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE ATWEATHER.GOV/CARIBOU********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL OF /INCHES/ MEASUREMENTMAINE...AROOSTOOK COUNTY... HOULTON 13.0 759 AM 12/18 LINNEUS 12.5 800 AM 12/18 SHERMAN 12.0 923 AM 12/18 NORTH AMITY 12.0 800 AM 12/18 BLAINE 11.0 759 AM 12/18 OAKFIELD 1 NNW 10.0 512 AM 12/18 EASTON 10.0 841 AM 12/18 HODGDON 10.0 547 AM 12/18 PRESQUE ISLE 10 W 9.0 1001 AM 12/18 VAN BUREN 9.0 842 AM 12/18 MADAWASKA 8.6 923 AM 12/18 CARY 8.0 927 PM 12/17 HOULTON 3 N 8.0 529 AM 12/18 PRESQUE ISLE 8.0 825 AM 12/18 GRAND ISLE 8.0 929 AM 12/18 CARIBOU 1 N 7.9 705 AM 12/18 CONNOR 7.2 845 AM 12/18 LILLE 7.0 953 AM 12/18 ISLAND FALLS 6.0 855 AM 12/18 ASHLAND 1 SSE 6.0 528 AM 12/18 FORT KENT 2 S 6.0 700 AM 12/18 SAINT AGATHA 2 WNW 5.8 624 AM 12/18 LILLE 5 SSE 5.5 548 AM 12/18 FORT KENT 3.5 1000 AM 12/18...HANCOCK COUNTY... HANCOCK 1.0 802 AM 12/18 PROSPECT HARBOR 1.0 810 AM 12/18 BUCKSPORT 1.0 400 AM 12/18...PENOBSCOT COUNTY... MATTAWAMKEAG 8.0 921 AM 12/18 MILLINOCKET 8.0 522 AM 12/18 MEDWAY 6.0 610 AM 12/18 LINCOLN 4.0 609 AM 12/18 PLYMOUTH 3.3 610 AM 12/18 CARMEL 2.5 544 AM 12/18 BANGOR 2.2 854 AM 12/18 ETNA 2.1 650 AM 12/18 LEVANT 2.0 613 AM 12/18 GREENBUSH 2.0 831 AM 12/18 HOWLAND 2.0 759 AM 12/18 ENFIELD 2.0 922 AM 12/18 BREWER 1.0 614 AM 12/18 NEWPORT 1.0 541 AM 12/18 NEWBURGH 1.0 523 AM 12/18...PISCATAQUIS COUNTY... KINGBURY 2 SSE 3.0 706 AM 12/18 SANGERVILLE 1 ENE 3.0 510 AM 12/18 ABBOT 3.0 943 AM 12/18 DOVER-FOXCROFT 2.5 1001 AM 12/18 MILO 1.5 811 AM 12/18...WASHINGTON COUNTY... CHERRYFIELD 1 WSW 12.0 655 AM 12/18 CHERRYFIELD 10.0 644 AM 12/18 MILLBRIDGE 6.0 923 AM 12/18 MACHIAS 3.5 801 AM 12/18 ROBBINSTON 3.2 943 AM 12/18 CHARLOTTE 3.0 805 AM 12/18 MEDDYBEMPS 3.0 806 AM 12/18 TOPSFIELD 3.0 629 AM 12/18 MIXED WITH SLEET DENNYSVILLE 3.0 856 AM 12/18 WESLEY 1 NNE 3.0 506 AM 12/18 EDMUNDS 2.5 921 AM 12/18 EAST MACHIAS 4 E 2.0 819 AM 12/18 PEMBROKE 1 WSW 1.0 659 AM 12/18 JONESBORO 1.0 635 AM 12/18 EASTPORT 0.4 829 AM 12/18$$CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Man, What a run Northern Maine has been on so far and its not even winter yet...............lol 000NOUS41 KCAR 181503PNSCARMEZ001>006-010-011-015>017-029>032-190303-PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENTSPOTTER REPORTSNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CARIBOU ME1003 AM EST THU DEC 18 2014THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 24HOURS FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATIONIS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...CWOPOBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS...FACEBOOK FANS...AND MEDIA FOR THESEREPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE ATWEATHER.GOV/CARIBOU********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL OF /INCHES/ MEASUREMENTMAINE...AROOSTOOK COUNTY... HOULTON 13.0 759 AM 12/18 LINNEUS 12.5 800 AM 12/18 SHERMAN 12.0 923 AM 12/18 NORTH AMITY 12.0 800 AM 12/18 BLAINE 11.0 759 AM 12/18 OAKFIELD 1 NNW 10.0 512 AM 12/18 EASTON 10.0 841 AM 12/18 HODGDON 10.0 547 AM 12/18 PRESQUE ISLE 10 W 9.0 1001 AM 12/18 VAN BUREN 9.0 842 AM 12/18 MADAWASKA 8.6 923 AM 12/18 CARY 8.0 927 PM 12/17 HOULTON 3 N 8.0 529 AM 12/18 PRESQUE ISLE 8.0 825 AM 12/18 GRAND ISLE 8.0 929 AM 12/18 CARIBOU 1 N 7.9 705 AM 12/18 CONNOR 7.2 845 AM 12/18 LILLE 7.0 953 AM 12/18 ISLAND FALLS 6.0 855 AM 12/18 ASHLAND 1 SSE 6.0 528 AM 12/18 FORT KENT 2 S 6.0 700 AM 12/18 SAINT AGATHA 2 WNW 5.8 624 AM 12/18 LILLE 5 SSE 5.5 548 AM 12/18 FORT KENT 3.5 1000 AM 12/18...HANCOCK COUNTY... HANCOCK 1.0 802 AM 12/18 PROSPECT HARBOR 1.0 810 AM 12/18 BUCKSPORT 1.0 400 AM 12/18...PENOBSCOT COUNTY... MATTAWAMKEAG 8.0 921 AM 12/18 MILLINOCKET 8.0 522 AM 12/18 MEDWAY 6.0 610 AM 12/18 LINCOLN 4.0 609 AM 12/18 PLYMOUTH 3.3 610 AM 12/18 CARMEL 2.5 544 AM 12/18 BANGOR 2.2 854 AM 12/18 ETNA 2.1 650 AM 12/18 LEVANT 2.0 613 AM 12/18 GREENBUSH 2.0 831 AM 12/18 HOWLAND 2.0 759 AM 12/18 ENFIELD 2.0 922 AM 12/18 BREWER 1.0 614 AM 12/18 NEWPORT 1.0 541 AM 12/18 NEWBURGH 1.0 523 AM 12/18...PISCATAQUIS COUNTY... KINGBURY 2 SSE 3.0 706 AM 12/18 SANGERVILLE 1 ENE 3.0 510 AM 12/18 ABBOT 3.0 943 AM 12/18 DOVER-FOXCROFT 2.5 1001 AM 12/18 MILO 1.5 811 AM 12/18...WASHINGTON COUNTY... CHERRYFIELD 1 WSW 12.0 655 AM 12/18 CHERRYFIELD 10.0 644 AM 12/18 MILLBRIDGE 6.0 923 AM 12/18 MACHIAS 3.5 801 AM 12/18 ROBBINSTON 3.2 943 AM 12/18 CHARLOTTE 3.0 805 AM 12/18 MEDDYBEMPS 3.0 806 AM 12/18 TOPSFIELD 3.0 629 AM 12/18 MIXED WITH SLEET DENNYSVILLE 3.0 856 AM 12/18 WESLEY 1 NNE 3.0 506 AM 12/18 EDMUNDS 2.5 921 AM 12/18 EAST MACHIAS 4 E 2.0 819 AM 12/18 PEMBROKE 1 WSW 1.0 659 AM 12/18 JONESBORO 1.0 635 AM 12/18 EASTPORT 0.4 829 AM 12/18$$CB they must be grooming up there or jackman for that matter. I really want to take a rip on my new sled. Trying to set something up between xmas and new years. you riding soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 they must be grooming up there or jackman for that matter. I really want to take a rip on my new sled. Trying to set something up between xmas and new years. you riding soon? Jackman is grooming, And northern maine is as well, But i hear there are numerous water bars as we really need some cold air to tighten things up, Just got mine back tues, So i am going to have to run a tank thru it at about 5,000 rpms or so to break it in before i can go rip, Probably wont ride until after NY or so, And will have to go north it seems for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Jackman is grooming, And northern maine is as well, But i hear there are numerous water bars as we really need some cold air to tighten things up, Just got mine back tues, So i am going to have to run a tank thru it at about 5,000 rpms or so to break it in before i can go rip, Probably wont ride until after NY or so, And will have to go north it seems for now maybe we could hook up on a ride sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Jackman is grooming, And northern maine is as well, But i hear there are numerous water bars as we really need some cold air to tighten things up, Just got mine back tues, So i am going to have to run a tank thru it at about 5,000 rpms or so to break it in before i can go rip, Probably wont ride until after NY or so, And will have to go north it seems for now We rented a camp in Coplin the 26th-4th of January. Really hoping to be able to ski and ride? Happy Holidays Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 maybe we could hook up on a ride sometime. Yeah, That sounds good, We will wait and see if we can do something in Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 We rented a camp in Coplin the 26th-4th of January. Really hoping to be able to ski and ride? Happy Holidays Matt Same to you Matt, You should be good to go by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Snow is going fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Event totals: 0.2” Snow/0.13" L.E. It didn’t even look like there was any new snow at our location based on my first look out the window this morning, but a couple of tenths of an inch had accumulated by the time I made my morning observations. Steady light snow continued and there was another ~¾" on the board by the time I headed west toward Burlington. The precipitation was a similar steady light snow through Bolton Flats, but it started to taper off as I continued west, and by the time I'd reached Jonesville the precipitation was very light. West of there into the Champlain Valley, the precipitation was a very light mix of snow/rain, and it looked like there had been little if any new snow accumulation from this event so far. Details from the 6:00 A.M. Waterbury observations: New Snow: 0.2 inches New Liquid: 0.03 inches Snow/Water Ratio: 6.7 Snow Density: 15.0% H2O Temperature: 33.4 F Sky: Light Snow (2-6 mm flakes) Snow at the stake: 7.0" Accumulations with this event have been fairly minimal in the mountains so far, but the north to south listing of available snowfall totals from the Vermont ski areas is below. The higher totals are up in the northern part of the state, although most of the mountains are reporting at least an inch or two: Jay Peak: 4” Smuggler’s Notch: 3” Stowe: 3” Bolton Valley: 4” Mad River Glen: 2” Sugarbush: 3” Pico: 3” Killington: 3” Okemo: T” Bromley: 2” Stratton: 1” Mount Snow: 2” I finally got around to clearing the snow off the deck last night since I wanted to get the web cam stake reset for this new system, and a quick coring with the inner cylinder from my rain gauge revealed roughly 2 inches of liquid in just the snow that was on the deck from last week's storm. I may do a core at some point to assess the full snowpack, but there's probably 3 inches of liquid in there. With this much liquid in the snowpack now, it would take a fairly anomalous event to really get rid of all of it, so it's fairly safe to consider this the winter pack. So, going back to determine the snowpack start date for this season, it's going to come in at November 27th. There had been a chance of it starting all the way back on November 14th, but that snow didn’t make it through whatever warmer period ensued, and the snowpack was at zero from the 24th through the 26th. The snowpack start date of November 27th is actually a few days later than what we saw last year (November 22nd) and roughly a week ahead of the average obtained from my data set (December 4th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j24vt Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 We also had 0.2" of snow sand last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 4.25" of sand at 3000ft. 2.5" at 1500ft. Real dense stuff with small graupel like flakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMainer Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Snow is going fast We still have a tad bit more at my place in Sabadass. Heading back home this weekend snowmobiling hopefully. Head up the road to greenville and rip off 100 miles east of the lake on logging roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 4.25" of sand at 3000ft. 2.5" at 1500ft. Real dense stuff with small graupel like flakes. A good recovery today by the Greens in terms of conditions. This is the stuff we need behind a brief thaw. You'd never know it rained yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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