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jburns

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Major torch today. Even 62 degrees in the High Country.

We've had cooler days in July!

Let's hope this bad pattern does not settle in for a long while. It is going to be a bit difficult to get back to the pattern we had in November. Who knows how long it will take as it could easily be January.

A warm Advent and Christmas season is the last thing wanted.

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Major torch today. Even 62 degrees in the High Country.

We've had cooler days in July!

Let's hope this bad pattern does not settle in for a long while. It is going to be a bit difficult to get back to the pattern we had in November. Who knows how long it will take as it could easily be January.

A warm Advent and Christmas season is the last thing wanted.

 

I don't think it will be all that difficult.  We can quickly go from a cold pattern to a warm one and vice versa.  We can also take a long time to do so.  The one thing that seems very likely is a period of moderation heading into December.  Everybody can probably agree with that.  It might take all month to get back to a cold pattern.  It might happen quickly.  Very difficult to tell which at this point.

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I don't think it will be all that difficult.  We can quickly go from a cold pattern to a warm one and vice versa.  We can also take a long time to do so.  The one thing that seems very likely is a period of moderation heading into December.  Everybody can probably agree with that.  It might take all month to get back to a cold pattern.  It might happen quickly.  Very difficult to tell which at this point.

 

Nice post.

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Major torch today. Even 62 degrees in the High Country.

We've had cooler days in July!

Let's hope this bad pattern does not settle in for a long while. It is going to be a bit difficult to get back to the pattern we had in November. Who knows how long it will take as it could easily be January.

A warm Advent and Christmas season is the last thing wanted.

 

When did a one or two day warm up become a "Pattern Change"?

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Nice post.

Thanks. Here are a couple of posts from the MA crew, talking about the LR. Obviously, the standard LR model caveats apply but anyway....

12z GEFS mean looks very nice in the long range with the Aleutian low/-EPO combo with a mean trough over the eastern CONUS reestablishing post Day 12.

Yea, euro ens last night continue to show the progression of low heights building underneath the aleutian ridge and the scand ridge reasserting. From the looks of things right now, the mild period will be broken up with a couple fronts. Certainly not a snow pattern during the first week of Dec but not wall to wall warm. My wag is a cold outbreak in the center of the country kicks off the transition to a better pattern sometime during the 2nd week of Dec. PNA looks to go positive. One missing thing is the NAO but we're used to that. Maybe a repeat of progressive flow with frequent cold shots and brief moderation in between?

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For what it's worth, neither the latest GFS nor the Euro have us torching for any extended period through the end of their respective runs. There may be a warm day or two, but if anything, I would expect seasonal to at times slightly above normal. Certainly not a cold pattern, but no locked in torchy pattern either. Bouts of precipitation and high pressure traversing the northern tier and off the eastern seaboard should keep things pretty seasonal. All in all, not bad as far as pattern relaxations go.

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I happens every year, and it still surprises me.

 

Why is there a general sense of doom if December isn't wire-to-wire cold?

 

December in the SE always (you know what I mean) features a few warm days. It is common to encounter 70+ degrees days. I can't remember the last time I didn't have some of those riddled within the first MET winter month. How can anyone know WTH kind of "pattern" we'll be in 15+ days from now?

 

Personally, I don't think there will be an established pattern by then. Was it last December that was toasty, and winter doom was proselytized throughout the boards? How can we determine the LR with any certainty when the seasonal transition is so volatile?

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I happens every year, and it still surprises me.

 

Why is there a general sense of doom if December isn't wire-to-wire cold?

 

December in the SE always (you know what I mean) features a few warm days. It is common to encounter 70+ degrees days. I can't remember the last time I didn't have some of those riddled within the first MET winter month. How can anyone know WTH kind of "pattern" we'll be in 15+ days from now?

 

Personally, I don't think there will be an established pattern by then. Was it last December that was toasty, and winter doom was proselytized throughout the boards? How can we determine the LR with any certainty when the seasonal transition is so volatile?

 

Last Dec was toasty, Jan was cold, Feb finished avg and winter overall for the SE (DJF) was average for temps.  But this winter, a lot of people were expecting this historic/cold/snowy winter with all the variables falling into place.  And we still may get that, but getting extreme winters is very difficult which is why I never bought into it.   Though I do think we have our typical period of better than average chance of getting snow events, mid-Jan to mid-Feb.  

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Last Dec was toasty, Jan was cold, Feb finished avg and winter overall for the SE (DJF) was average for temps.  But this winter, a lot of people were expecting this historic/cold/snowy winter with all the variables falling into place.  And we still may get that, but getting extreme winters is very difficult which is why I never bought into it.   Though I do think we have our typical period of better than average chance of getting snow events, mid-Jan to mid-Feb.  

 

Most winters usually have peaks and valleys of cold/warm, good pattern bad patterns.  I'm used to that.  However I have to admit that all the good indications of cold have me expecting a longer than normal conducive pattern for snow Dec-Feb.  While I do not expect wall to wall cold and snow, I would like to see it colder than average for the three months and over my average snowfall.  I'm not the least bit worried about the winter right now.  However if I'm being honest, if we're in this not so great pattern still in mid December I'd be disappointed. 

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