Chicago WX Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 A few cities that are having a top 10 snowy November. 2014 totals through 11/21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Through Nov 21st, the yearly temp at DTW is 49.4F 45.7F - 1875 48.1F - 1888 48.3F - 1912 48.5F - 1904 48.5F - 1917 48.6F - 1907 48.7F - 1979 48.9F - 1885 49.1F - 1883 49.3F - 1940 49.4F - 2014 So this is the 11th coldest year on record, through Nov 21st. However....it is the 3rd coldest of the last 100 years at Detroit. Only 1940 & 1979 were colder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Through Nov 21st, the yearly temp at DTW is 49.4F 45.7F - 1875 48.1F - 1888 48.3F - 1912 48.5F - 1904 48.5F - 1917 48.6F - 1907 48.7F - 1979 48.9F - 1885 49.1F - 1883 49.3F - 1940 49.4F - 2014 So this is the 11th coldest year on record, through Nov 21st. However....it is the 3rd coldest of the last 100 years at Detroit. Only 1940 & 1979 were colder! Currently the 3rd coldest year on record for Indianapolis. 1) 51.8˚ in 1875 2) 51.9˚ in 1885 3) 52.0˚ in 2014 thru 11/21 4) 52.1˚ in 1979 5) 52.7˚ in 1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 November 2014 is over 8F below normal right now in Lansing. Amazingly that only ranks it 3rd coldest monthly anomaly of the year. Behind, February and March. Tomorrow and Monday will probably be even.... Then more negative anomalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 Departure here for the first 21 days is -8.87°. Pretty incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Up to 53 here. That's a 50 degree rise over yesterday morning's 3 above reading. Just as impressive the dews have climbed from near zero up into the mid 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Just noticed Gaylord is at 54" of snow already this year, I wonder if we can make a run at 200+. i guess that all depends on how quickly the lakes freeze up this year. I wish all weeks would be like this during winter! Would have to by a long track sled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Just noticed Gaylord is at 54" of snow already this year, I wonder if we can make a run at 200+. i guess that all depends on how quickly the lakes freeze up this year. I wish all weeks would be like this during winter! Would have to by a long track sled! dang! that's a lot of snow for any month, but NOVEMBER?! Gaylord is hanging with the UP dogs!! I feel so bad for Alpena... Their snowfall has been lacking for about 5 years running now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 dang! that's a lot of snow for any month, but NOVEMBER?! Gaylord is hanging with the UP dogs!! I feel so bad for Alpena... Their snowfall has been lacking for about 5 years running now. Was in Gaylord Thursday, depth was crazy on the SW side. Alpena has been screwed for a while now, they live and die by synoptic snows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Incredible snow map^! Can definitely see the higher terrain maps a difference in NWL. Up to 50° here, feels downright warm for this month. Been watching the SSW events this month and we have another one taking place over eastern Siberia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Was in Gaylord Thursday, depth was crazy on the SW side. Alpena has been screwed for a while now, they live and die by synoptic snows. Yea, I live over on the SW corner of Otsego County huge difference compared to the South East or North East areas. I could never live in a place like Alpena, knowing that only 50 miles West gets 4x the snow. It would drive me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Incredible snow map^! Can definitely see the higher terrain maps a difference in NWL. Up to 50° here, feels downright warm for this month. Been watching the SSW events this month and we have another one taking place over eastern Siberia. When talking LES,, elevation is everything, hence why Gaylord area over the longer term always averages more then others in NWL. If the Leelanau area had higher elevation they would be even better since they get LES from different flows compared to Gaylord area. With a WNW wind we usually get rocked. Looks like early next week may be another prolonged WNW LES event. What does that Map mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 When talking LES,, elevation is everything, hence why Gaylord area over the longer term always averages more then others in NWL. If the Leelanau area had higher elevation they would be even better since they get LES from different flows compared to Gaylord area. With a WNW wind we usually get rocked. Looks like early next week may be another prolonged WNW LES event. What does that Map mean?? It is well known that stratospheric warming events (SSW) disrupt the polar vortex higher up in the atmosphere. The higher temperatures shown in this animation indictates such a warming events starting off in the upper troposphere/lower stratosphere in eastern Siberia. Not all SSW's breakdown or disrupt the polar vortex, but this one seems to be aimed at the Arctic regions again. I think this is the third one that's occurring in the last 6 weeks. If you have a strong polar vortex in the stratosphere, you're likely to see colder than normal conditions in the Arctic and Canada and not much further south, due to the cold being bottled up and held by the vortex. The SSW acts to split the vortex and forces in down out of the stratosphere. Lobes of it travel around, like what happened last winter and send down Arctic/polar air into the country. In a nutshell a weak polar vortex makes more cold air available and it is more widespread than a winter featuring a strong polar vortex in the Arctic. The dreaded winter of 11-12 featured a strong polar vortex, which didn't relax until February, then if you remember the subforum finally got into some typical winter weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertfly Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Get the lights up Geos??? It was a nice break for my skin to have the DP up today....however, given ground temps and the elevated DP, i watched my 3 and 6 year olders bail on the "sweaty" garage floor about half a dozen times...almost made them put on their bike or hockey helmets lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 It is well known that stratospheric warming events (SSW) disrupt the polar vortex higher up in the atmosphere. The higher temperatures shown in this animation indictates such a warming events starting off in the upper troposphere/lower stratosphere in eastern Siberia. Not all SSW's breakdown or disrupt the polar vortex, but this one seems to be aimed at the Arctic regions again. I think this is the third one that's occurring in the last 6 weeks. If you have a strong polar vortex in the stratosphere, you're likely to see colder than normal conditions in the Arctic and Canada and not much further south, due to the cold being bottled up and held by the vortex. The SSW acts to split the vortex and forces in down out of the stratosphere. Lobes of it travel around, like what happened last winter and send down Arctic/polar air into the country. In a nutshell a weak polar vortex makes more cold air available and it is more widespread than a winter featuring a strong polar vortex in the Arctic. The dreaded winter of 11-12 featured a strong polar vortex, which didn't relax until February, then if you remember the subforum finally got into some typical winter weather. Thank You fro the explanation, makes good sense, usually the warming will take a few weeks before we will feel the effects though correct? Mainly having pieces of the PV breaking off have heading down into the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Thank You fro the explanation, makes good sense, usually the warming will take a few weeks before we will feel the effects though correct? Mainly having pieces of the PV breaking off have heading down into the states. Yes, there is a lag time of 2-3 weeks. These events have been ongoing for awhile now, so the cold air is already here as we all know! Get the lights up Geos??? It was a nice break for my skin to have the DP up today....however, given ground temps and the elevated DP, i watched my 3 and 6 year olders bail on the "sweaty" garage floor about half a dozen times...almost made them put on their bike or hockey helmets lol Almost there. I had to take some time and clean the gutters again. I'm hoping tomorrow morning is mainly dry like the models are hinting at. I need about 2 hours to finish. Yeah nice to have the air more moist. There was actual smells outside today with the dampness. Haha, were they helping with the lights!? Saw a few neighbors taking advantage of the mild weather and putting up lights, but not as many as I thought would. Put my rain gauge back out for this system, but will pull in back in Monday morning once it starts snowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertfly Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Almost there. I had to take some time and clean the gutters again. I'm hoping tomorrow morning is mainly dry like the models are hinting at. I need about 2 hours to finish. Yeah nice to have the air more moist. There was actual smells outside today with the dampness. Haha, were they helping with the lights!? Saw a few neighbors taking advantage of the mild weather and putting up lights, but not as many as I thought would. Put my rain gauge back out for this system, but will pull in back in Monday morning once it starts snowing. Nice geos....the older boy helped and the younger one didn't provide much more than some good laughs. Ground certainly got squishier as the day went on....despite no precip falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 A balmy and foggy 37 this morning. Feels so nice. Some melting has taken place but snowpack still over 2'. worried about the rain and the snowpack on the house absorbing it and freezing up so have lots of work today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Up to 53F overnite...all snow gone now. Back to brown. Should change though overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 A balmy and foggy 37 this morning. Feels so nice. Some melting has taken place but snowpack still over 2'. worried about the rain and the snowpack on the house absorbing it and freezing up so have lots of work today I had same worries, so roofed raked my house for a second time already on Thursday. 2 x already and not even December yet pretty incredible. Our snow pack is down to less then a foot now, the warm temps and high humidity are eating the pack away at a good clip. When the rain moves in probably wont have much left which is amazing in its own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Temps have stayed mild since yesterday. Temp actually bumped up to 51 around 4am. Still hovering in the upper 40s as the rain pours down. 0.25" so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I had same worries, so roofed raked my house for a second time already on Thursday. 2 x already and not even December yet pretty incredible. Our snow pack is down to less then a foot now, the warm temps and high humidity are eating the pack away at a good clip. When the rain moves in probably wont have much left which is amazing in its own right. my snowpack is mostly from a heavy wet storm and not LE. It will sustain thru the warm and wetness and probably absorb the rain more than melt but I expect to be less than 15" when the snow moves back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Does anyone have any links for the parallel GFS? I had been using the tropical tidbits site but that hasnt worked for a few days. Snow completely gone here...was a nice white week for November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Does anyone have any links for the parallel GFS? I had been using the tropical tidbits site but that hasnt worked for a few days. Snow completely gone here...was a nice white week for November. Tropical tidbits has been down for a few days now because of a massive DDoS attack on his server. I got to believe someone didn't like his site and all the attention it was getting. Its a shame because I loved his site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Does anyone have any links for the parallel GFS? I had been using the tropical tidbits site but that hasnt worked for a few days. Snow completely gone here...was a nice white week for November. Weatherbell has it. NCEP used to show parallel versions in the past, but I can't find any info on where it is. The last time NCEP made parallel versions available was with their previous model site layout as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 NCEP has it here: http://mageval.ncep.noaa.gov Looks like the regular one, but the GFS on this site is the parallel version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 dense fog adv this afternoon as the temp has crept up to 40. lots of dripping from the gutters being heard. gotta love thaws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Well you got your grill back Bo! Now you'll probably have to reclaim it again after tomorrow. 51° now. Any other November this wouldn't feel like anything that abnormal, but after the last 10 days it feels way above normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The stretch or 7 consecutive days of 1"+ snowcover at Detroit ties for 3rd longest stretch in November since 1906. 9 days – Nov 15-23, 1932 8 days – Nov 23-30, 1956 (ended up 10 days in a row, thru Dec 2nd) 7 days – Nov 8-14, 1921 7 days – Nov 16-22, 2014 6 days – Nov 25-30, 1950 (ended up 7 days in a row, thru Dec 1st) 6 days – Nov 25-30, 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertfly Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 DVN... RECORD EVENT REPORT...CORRECTED FOR CSTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL411 PM CST SUN NOV 23 2014...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT MOLINE IL...A RECORD RAINFALL OF 0.57 INCHES WAS SET AT MOLINE IL TODAY.THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 0.49 SET IN 1927.ADDITIONAL RAINFALL IS EXPECTED TONIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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