powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Can you do like snowfall measuring and set up like three and average them? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah I guess places have to work with what they have...not going to cut trees down in your yard just for measuring water. But even without wind, even during heavy thunderstorms the most liquid will fall just outside a trees canopy as those big tropical drops explode and bounce out from away from trees, so you get the liquid falling straight down plus the excess stuff coming off the trees. But you can't put it under the canopy as you'll be just as low as the gauge just outside the canopy is high. Yeah the thing is, you don't get heavy rain from a coastal storm without wind around here. So for a tstm it would work , but otherwise why spend a lot of money for something giving me inaccurate readings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Can you do like snowfall measuring and set up like three and average them? lol Measuring is tough too. I do have spots and a whole process I go through to figure it out lol. I've noticed the readings sometimes stick out, but many people who report snow once a day or after the storm will differ by quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah the thing is, you don't get heavy rain from a coastal storm without wind around here. So for a tstm it would work , but otherwise why spend a lot of money for something giving me inaccurate readings?True...you'd have accurate rain readings in the winter maybe when the canopy is down, but who wants to measure winter rain? lol. But yeah with your wind putting whole trees in motion and leaves swaying, that's definitely blowing excess moisture with it. You really need a good wide open yard to accurately sample rain, just like snow. Like in the winter I don't know how people in cities or densely developed areas measure snow...sure you got 2 feet in your front yard but everyone's roof is blown clean, just wind-loading the small yards and tight streets. I know Dendrites mentioned that...the good ol' city block just buried look as all the snow on the roof-tops is now on car-tops, sidewalks, and roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 True...you'd have accurate rain readings in the winter maybe when the canopy is down, but who wants to measure winter rain? lol. But yeah with your wind putting whole trees in motion and leaves swaying, that's definitely blowing excess moisture with it. You really need a good wide open yard to accurately sample rain, just like snow. Like in the winter I don't know how people in cities or densely developed areas measure snow...sure you got 2 feet in your front yard but everyone's roof is blown clean, just wind-loading the small yards and tight streets. I know Dendrites mentioned that...the good ol' city block just buried look as all the snow on the roof-tops is now on car-tops, sidewalks, and roads. I could put it in the front yard but what a random eye soar lol. Some of those rooftops are boxed in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah I guess places have to work with what they have...not going to cut trees down in your yard just for measuring water. But even without wind, even during heavy thunderstorms the most liquid will fall just outside a trees canopy as those big tropical drops explode and bounce out from away from trees, so you get the liquid falling straight down plus the excess stuff coming off the trees. But you can't put it under the canopy as you'll be just as low as the gauge just outside the canopy is high. Well a true weenie would............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I could put it in the front yard but what a random eye soar lol. Some of those rooftops are boxed in a bit. Conversation piece for ones that would not have a clue to what it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Our cleared (except for semi-dwarf apple trees) yard plus adjacent road measures about 70' by 100', and is almost fully surrounded by trees 60-80' tall. My gauge is sited within 20' of some trees to the SW, but much farther from those to the north and east. Probably loses some windy TS precip, but should be okay for synoptic events with the usual E to N winds. While I've caught a leaf or two in the funnel at times, never anything clog-worthy. (It's been a good trap for Japanese beetles, however.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainePhotog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Conversation piece for ones that would not have a clue to what it was My oil man asked if my Cocorahs set up was some kind of vent for radon gas. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 My oil man asked if my Cocorahs set up was some kind of vent for radon gas. LOL Ha, Like i said...........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 True...you'd have accurate rain readings in the winter maybe when the canopy is down, but who wants to measure winter rain? lol. But yeah with your wind putting whole trees in motion and leaves swaying, that's definitely blowing excess moisture with it. You really need a good wide open yard to accurately sample rain, just like snow. Like in the winter I don't know how people in cities or densely developed areas measure snow...sure you got 2 feet in your front yard but everyone's roof is blown clean, just wind-loading the small yards and tight streets. I know Dendrites mentioned that...the good ol' city block just buried look as all the snow on the roof-tops is now on car-tops, sidewalks, and roads. sort of exactly like your spot where tree loading adds a lot, Mansfield stake too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 sort of exactly like your spot where tree loading adds a lot, Mansfield stake too Come on up and I'll show you, I think you'll find the sheltered area where snow accumulates straight up to the top of the conifers to be a suitable site. You've seen my pictures, evergreens loaded to the gills with snow...not some wind blasted area. That's what makes it a great spot, snow falls straight down. Upper elevation west side is another story, but upper east side is protected from probably 90% of winter wind which comes with a westerly orientation from SSW to NNW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Nice write up in WaPo http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/10/23/fantastic-imagery-of-this-weeks-powerful-noreaster/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 sort of exactly like your spot where tree loading adds a lot, Mansfield stake too You let powderfreak's secret out...inflation!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You let powderfreak's secret out...inflation!!!roofs blow snow off but trees don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think the picnic tables tell the tale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 roofs blow snow off but trees don't Well you have to ask yourself the question of...if it's so sheltered, the wind must be blowing somewhere else (ie the ridgeline). I can't comment because I don't know the relationship to wind speed and how far downstream snow will travel. I can tell you that 3,000ft on the east side is generally blocked, especially in any westerly flow. Snow blows off rooflines and trees if there's wind. Think of where the "roof" is in this case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think the picnic tables tell the taleaverage of 10 measurements for depth, snowboard for accumulation in a open area away from trees houses is the best you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You let powderfreak's secret out...inflation!!! Haha if anything you are correct...inflation from finding the most sheltered spot where flakes can stack up with great efficiency that has trouble occurring on other parts of the mountain exposed to wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think the picnic tables tell the taleI don't think jspin's elevated measuring table has been touched by wind for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I don't think jspin's elevated measuring table has been touched by wind for decades. I do think a lot of you in eastern New England during the nor'easters get more windy snowfalls than any other spot. JSpin could put that thing 60 ft in the air and it wouldn't matter. We don't get a ton of snow on east flow, so being just on the east slope, a lot of the snowfalls happen with wind going "over-the-top". Oftentimes at the mountain, the windiest spot is near the base area as that's where the wind can finally mix down again. I have much more wind issues at the base snow plot than at 3000ft. It's like when you see pics of mine with just caked stark white trees in the upper elevation east side but it's not rime, it's just the part of the mountain not touched by wind in most events. We don't get a ton of strong sustained easterly flow storms up here, so it's hard to gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Nice write up in WaPo http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/10/23/fantastic-imagery-of-this-weeks-powerful-noreaster/ Pretty funny considering he poo-poo'd it the day before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Sunny breaks!! Time to blow wet leaves for 5 hours . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Pretty funny considering he poo-poo'd it the day before.lol I did laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 lol I did laugh Not sure why they didn't acknowledge their post from earlier. The model forecasts were pretty crummy leading up to it regarding wind impact down this way even 12 hours before. Definitely wound up more impressive than I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Some interesting variances within the same town regarding rain in this storm. That's gonna happen when wind is involved. I see MQE with 6.29", but that's a lot higher than the supposed total from BOX. They do seem to come in a bit high a times though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 lol I did laugh I agree about the hype from TWC, but if you are going to bash them because you thought the storm was benign, then bash the NWS for putting up FW and HWW. That wasn't a benign nor'easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I agree about the hype from TWC, but if you are going to bash them because you thought the storm was benign, then bash the NWS for putting up FW and HWW. That wasn't a benign nor'easter. I think it's fair to say the storm overperformed. We didn't even have gale warnings on the Sound a few hours before the start of the event and wound up with storm conditions. Same deal in E Mass where they went from nothing to advisory to high wind warning mid-event. It was easy to bash them for hyping prior to the storm (where their own story/forecast didn't match the headline hyperbole) but once the storm happened... it turned out that headline was not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 average of 10 measurements for depth, snowboard for accumulation in a open area away from trees houses is the best you can do. I was joking with that comment but yeah, I usually do at least 6 measurements in an open area, The board is sometimes rendered useless on windy storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I don't think jspin's elevated measuring table has been touched by wind for decades. lol, He is right down to the penny, Truly a Currier & Ives or Hallmark setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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