The ideal New England winter home (for maximum snow experience)

[Nittany88]

One big reason and really the only reason: It is state land.  A large part of the ski area is part of a lease with the state for the land.  The state says what they can and can't do on a lot of it...recreation opportunities like skiing, mtn biking, zip lining, etc is a yes...after lengthy environmental impact studies and meetings, etc.  Development for real estate and structures just for the sake of making money is a no (which is how it should be).  I'm a big fan obviously of using state and federal land for recreation.  The ski area actually owns the land at the base of Spruce Peak (on the north side of the road) which is why that's where the hotel, performing arts center, and golf course went.  There's very limited space up there to develop though, so therefore no real base village (although they are now putting in an outdoor ice rink and a few more things at the base)...basically doing what they can to make somewhat of a nucleus at the base.  But development at the base of Mansfield on the south side of the road is not going to happen anytime soon aside from ski-related structures (base lodge, mountain operations offices, etc).  That's also why the only real development in the 1960s and 1970s was at the base of the Toll Road (those older condos and conference center you pass on the road), because that was the closest privately owned land at the time. 

 

Ahh okay makes sense, thanks.

[nzucker]

Ah yes the Vermont "holier than thou" "I hate tourist attitude" that penetrates backwoods Vermont. Yet that's where virtually all the income in the entire state comes from (tourism).

 

 

Just because that's where the money comes from, doesn't make it holy. I think many long-term Vermont residents have a reasonable qualm with the tourism that has become the lifeblood economically of the state...it means the dollars are not really in the hands of Vermont, and are not being generated locally. Tourist economies are also subject to "boom and bust" cycles that don't pervade other types of economies...just look at what happened to the Catskills with places like Grossingers and the Nevele. Those central New York towns became completely devastated when the tourism and money moved out. Tourism, unfortunately, is not a permanent source of wealth in many regions. 

 

Of course the debate over "natural" is an artificial one because as said in this thread before, all of New England is far more natural than before. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are near 90% forested...that figure for Vermont was around 20-30% in the late 1800s, I believe. I did a lot of work with the town of Starksboro, VT, and we looked at some aerial shots of the town circa 1930...it was hard to believe the difference as we walked through woods that had once been all farmland and developed. There was an old saying that you could go from Boston to Burlington and barely see a tree back then. So if you evaluate "natural" by the conservation of the ecosystem, New England is one of the few regions that's been improving worldwide.

[Nittany88]

Just because that's where the money comes from, doesn't make it holy. I think many long-term Vermont residents have a reasonable qualm with the tourism that has become the lifeblood economically of the state...it means the dollars are not really in the hands of Vermont, and are not being generated locally. Tourist economies are also subject to "boom and bust" cycles that don't pervade other types of economies...just look at what happened to the Catskills with places like Grossingers and the Nevele. Those central New York towns became completely devastated when the tourism and money moved out. Tourism, unfortunately, is not a permanent source of wealth in many regions. 

 

Of course the debate over "natural" is an artificial one because as said in this thread before, all of New England is far more natural than before. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are near 90% forested...that figure for Vermont was around 20-30% in the late 1800s, I believe. I did a lot of work with the town of Starksboro, VT, and we looked at some aerial shots of the town circa 1930...it was hard to believe the difference as we walked through woods that had once been all farmland and developed. There was an old saying that you could go from Boston to Burlington and barely see a tree back then. So if you evaluate "natural" by the conservation of the ecosystem, New England is one of the few regions that's been improving worldwide.

 

My point was that in parts of rural Vermont, there is a palpable dislike towards tourism and what it brings, and they think the state would be better off without it. They look down upon tourists and think they're ruining the place, "damn flatlanders". But in reality, without the tourism, the state's money supply would be cut off as its the sole largest income into the state. So I wasn't so much debating the pros and cons of having a tourism-based industry, just the fact that Vermont currently has one and right now if you want to see economic prosperity and job growth in Vermont, you need the tourists.

 

And there's no signs of any other industry moving into the state, if anything they're continuing to leave the state (see: IBM).

[NEK_VT_Upslope_Event]

My point was that in parts of rural Vermont, there is a palpable dislike towards tourism and what it brings, and they think the state would be better off without it. They look down upon tourists and think they're ruining the place, "damn flatlanders". But in reality, without the tourism, the state's money supply would be cut off as its the sole largest income into the state. So I wasn't so much debating the pros and cons of having a tourism-based industry, just the fact that Vermont currently has one and right now if you want to see economic prosperity and job growth in Vermont, you need the tourists.

 

And there's no signs of any other industry moving into the state, if anything they're continuing to leave the state (see: IBM).

Two quick rebuttals, FWIW:

 

(1) that anti-tourism quirk is really isolated amongst the old hardliners. They are dying off. The remaining anti-tourist people are idiots or living under a rock. This is at least the NEK-view where tourism is lighter but steady, and is made up of more adventurers and fewer Mass/NY plate SUVs with yuppie families. I'd probably be anti-them if they come into my town and act like they own it . But of course I wouldn't say anything since they'd be supporting my town if they spend what they're capable of while there.

 

(2) re: other industries, Vermont has a thriving craft beer/food movement that is drawing in money, tourists and creating a strong culture, especially amongst the hipster crowd. Also, the core resources are very important and the lifestyle of health and sustainability that is promoted. If you read Brad Feld's book of how to create an entrepreneurial economy, "start-up communities", based in Boulder, VT actually has a lot of the hard  and impossible to achieve base assets that it would take to become even more of a thriving start-up community. I think what it lacks though are technology companies and jobs. I agree the loss of IBM is a hit, but I do believe that VT will see a burgeoning economy driven by entrepreneurialism which should continue, and expand beyond natural food and lifestyles of health and sustainability businesses into tech.  Lastly, there is a strong 'give before you get' community mentality that played well in Boulder according to Feld and would also play well in VT culture. With all this said, the state government needs to participate better and stop disincentivizing businesses to come to and grow in VT.

[klw]

Two quick rebuttals, FWIW:

 

(1) that anti-tourism quirk is really isolated amongst the old hardliners. They are dying off. The remaining anti-tourist people are idiots or living under a rock. This is at least the NEK-view where tourism is lighter but steady, and is made up of more adventurers and fewer Mass/NY plate SUVs with yuppie families. I'd probably be anti-them if they come into my town and act like they own it . But of course I wouldn't say anything since they'd be supporting my town if they spend what they're capable of while there.

 

Well tourists do come into Peacham routinely.  You would not get them on your road as it is so hidden but in the village I routinely get people walking up across my front lawn to the house to take pictures or going up the back driveway to do the same.  This is especially true in fall season when the buses come into town.  Not as bad as the UPS guy randomly parking in our driveway to eat lunch but it can be kind of creepy.

 

Going back to the original poster:

I lived in the Woodstock area for 10 years (93-02), mostly in So. Royalton.  Fantastic area.  It won't get much upslope but does get nice hits from the coastal storms.  It is more prone to mixing than areas further north.  A couple of towns near there to consider would be South Royalton and Sharon.  Both would be less expensive than Woodstock and have higher land outside of town.  Sharon has very little in the way of a town center but is very convenient to Woodstock, Lebanon, Hanover and has its own exit on 89.  South Royalton does have at least a couple of bars and restaurants.  It has a livelier social scene because of the Law School being there.  Both towns have had increasing real estate value due to their proximity to the Hanover area.  They are only about an hour to 75 min to Burlington, half hour to Montpelier. Stowe and Killington are reasonable drives too.  

Here are the current listings in So Ro and Sharon

http://nneren.com/listings/?t%5B%5D=648&Town_State%5B%5D=Sharon+VT&Town_State%5B%5D=Royalton+VT&s=-Date+Listed

 

Norwich is also a great little town, across the river from Hanover and a nice community in itself.  Bit pricier.

 

If you want opinions on places up towards the NEK, I can do that too but would rather do that in a PM.

 

Oh as for tax rates, they will usually be lower in the more touristy towns as they have a better tax base.

 

As for Rutland- cross it off your list, 

[Radders]

Well tourists do come into Peacham routinely. You would not get them on your road as it is so hidden but in the village I routinely get people walking up across my front lawn to the house to take pictures or going up the back driveway to do the same. This is especially true in fall season when the buses come into town. Not as bad as the UPS guy randomly parking in our driveway to eat lunch but it can be kind of creepy.

Going back to the original poster:

I lived in the Woodstock area for 10 years (93-02), mostly in So. Royalton. Fantastic area. It won't get much upslope but does get nice hits from the coastal storms. It is more prone to mixing than areas further north. A couple of towns near there to consider would be South Royalton and Sharon. Both would be less expensive than Woodstock and have higher land outside of town. Sharon has very little in the way of a town center but is very convenient to Woodstock, Lebanon, Hanover and has its own exit on 89. South Royalton does have at least a couple of bars and restaurants. It has a livelier social scene because of the Law School being there. Both towns have had increasing real estate value due to their proximity to the Hanover area. They are only about an hour to 75 min to Burlington, half hour to Montpelier. Stowe and Killington are reasonable drives too.

Here are the current listings in So Ro and Sharon

http://nneren.com/listings/?t%5B%5D=648&Town_State%5B%5D=Sharon+VT&Town_State%5B%5D=Royalton+VT&s=-Date+Listed

Norwich is also a great little town, across the river from Hanover and a nice community in itself. Bit pricier.

If you want opinions on places up towards the NEK, I can do that too but would rather do that in a PM.

Thanks for the info. I am leaning towards Northern Vermont and the Stowe area but I am interested in hearing more about the NEK. I am totally unfamiliar with that area so it deserves some investigation. Feel free to PM me.

[Isotherm]

I'm not sure there is though. I really don't have an issue with how Stowe and Ludlow and Woodstock are. They have kept the quaint village center with white steeple church, sidewalks, no fast food spots, zoning laws that don't allow commercial signs to be larger than like 6 feet off the ground, etc.

Stowe is the second largest town in terms of acres in VT. The commercial areas occupy literally a fraction of that. It's not like there's a Walmart next to a Home Depot next to a Best Buy. There are two roads (2 out of 100 in this town) that have businesses on them. Radders and I were discussing the other day how you can take a half hour or 45 minute drive in town on dirt roads through countryside residential areas and not see a business. I've been to Ludlow plenty of times and it's the same way, Main Street and the road to the ski resort (Okemo) have development. Most of it tasteful, but there are miles and miles of other roads with fields and residential areas that aren't like cookie cutter suburb houses.

In Stowe I can tell you all the downtown structures have been there for like 100 years. This wasn't some recent development. I'm not sure what else you could do to this?

The Mountain Road is more sprawl-ish, but I'd rather they keep it all on one road and not start sprouting stuff up out in the countryside.

 

 

Beautiful shot. Just picturesque. If anyone seriously thinks that image is too built-up or industrialized, something's wrong. Coming from a native of the NY/NJ region, I would definitely characterize Stowe as a boonies type village. I guess it's all relative, but that's far from reaching the sprawl threshold to me. As you and others have mentioned, I think the best combination for a New England town is having the amenities of the village/recreation nearby while still achieving the feel of living essentially in the wilderness. I wouldn't want to live in the boonies 10+ miles from civilization due to various reasons, including boredom, safety (what if an emergency occurs - hospitals?), etc.

[powderfreak]

Two quick rebuttals, FWIW:

 

(1) that anti-tourism quirk is really isolated amongst the old hardliners. They are dying off. The remaining anti-tourist people are idiots or living under a rock. This is at least the NEK-view where tourism is lighter but steady, and is made up of more adventurers and fewer Mass/NY plate SUVs with yuppie families. I'd probably be anti-them if they come into my town and act like they own it . But of course I wouldn't say anything since they'd be supporting my town if they spend what they're capable of while there.

 

 

Its still a fine line if you are discriminating against Mass/NY SUV's, haha.  To be honest, the Burlington area and Champlain Valley has just as many "yuppies" as anywhere else (young-urban-professionals)...but I actually enjoy those families coming from out-of-state.  No one seems to come in acting like they own the place, lol.  You're always going to find that one bad apple, but the mom & dad that just want to go hiking and biking with their children are some of the better people to bring in, at least IMO.  There's this stigma in VT that yuppies from Mass/NY/NJ are awful people, they litter the Vermont hillsides with trash or something, they treat everyone like sh*t...I have no idea where that comes from.  Of course you get that more difficult person from time to time, but 99% of them are just happy-go-lucky families enjoying the American dream and going on a vacation to spend some time as a family outdoors in a beautiful place. 

 

Its like some people in this state see a NJ SUV and start swearing "get the f' out of our state"...I have no idea where all that hostility comes from.   Its like its ok for the Williston, VT yuppie to come to town with a brand new Suburban...but that same car shows up in VT with out-of-state plates and all the sudden that's a rude, inconsiderate family.  Like Nittany, that stuff pisses me off to no end.

 

End rant, lol.

[tamarack]

I second that - sometimes surprisingly well. Only been there for a season, but we even had a strange storm where we got a few inches of sloppy snow, and Wildcat got wet snow with no accumulation. Still have no explanation for that considering the difference in elevation - but all in all, the entire Bartlett-Jackson-Hart's Location area does pretty well. We are a couple of hundred feet higher than the valley floor, and I haven't really noticed much difference. North Conway, on the other hand, can be quite a bit warmer on some marginal storms, and clears up faster than we do. Several times I left No Conway with clearing skies, and it was still dumping at the house. 

 

I wonder if, in a 32-33F event, you were getting SN/+SN while Wildcat had -SN for the same amount of time.

 

Maybe MPM could take a spin eastward on Hurrricane Mt Road toward North Fryeburg.  Some nice elevation there.

 

One of the aspects I love about the SR area in Maine is how "un-resorty" it is compared to some of the other bigger ski areas. Don't get me wrong, I love Killington and sometimes the resorty part is fun, especially if you love nightlife...but I find myself as I get older, I like the less developed regions.

 

Love the respectful exchanges here, and of course our perceptions will differ according to taste and experience.  Unlike ORH wxman, when I drive up Sunday River Road to work or recreate in the nearby Mahoosucs, I'm struck by the large (to me) amount of development compared to what was there 20 years ago.  Probably my view is a reflection of working in the woods of NW Maine, where towns have classic New England names like "Township 13 Range 12, West of the Easterly Line of the State."

 

I think each NNE state has a love-hate relationship with tourists, along with the stereotypes noted (and rebutted) upthread.  In Maine it's "summer complaints", but you won't hear that from residents who derive most of their annual income during met summer from those same tourists, most of whom, in my experience, are friendly and agreeable.

[dryslot]

I wonder if, in a 32-33F event, you were getting SN/+SN while Wildcat had -SN for the same amount of time.

 

Maybe MPM could take a spin eastward on Hurrricane Mt Road toward North Fryeburg.  Some nice elevation there.

 

One of the aspects I love about the SR area in Maine is how "un-resorty" it is compared to some of the other bigger ski areas. Don't get me wrong, I love Killington and sometimes the resorty part is fun, especially if you love nightlife...but I find myself as I get older, I like the less developed regions.

 

Love the respectful exchanges here, and of course our perceptions will differ according to taste and experience.  Unlike ORH wxman, when I drive up Sunday River Road to work or recreate in the nearby Mahoosucs, I'm struck by the large (to me) amount of development compared to what was there 20 years ago.  Probably my view is a reflection of working in the woods of NW Maine, where towns have classic New England names like "Township 13 Range 12, West of the Easterly Line of the State."

 

I think each NNE state has a love-hate relationship with tourists, along with the stereotypes noted (and rebutted) upthread.  In Maine it's "summer complaints", but you won't hear that from residents who derive most of their annual income during met summer from those same tourists, most of whom, in my experience, are friendly and agreeable.

 

For the most part, But i stayed with a few from "afar" that thought they were holier then us until we showed them a little NNE hospitality if you know what i mean

[mreaves]

I think each NNE state has a love-hate relationship with tourists, along with the stereotypes noted (and rebutted) upthread.  In Maine it's "summer complaints", but you won't hear that from residents who derive most of their annual income during met summer from those same tourists, most of whom, in my experience, are friendly and agreeable.

Good point.  The relationship is more complicated than simply hating all "flatlanders".  There are plenty of people from away that get along fine in NNE. There are some people from MA, NY, NJ etc. move up here and it feels like they try to recreate where they came from or act like they know what's best for us.  It is the patronizing attitude of some that many don't care for.

[klw]

Tourists v locals is not a NNE phenomenon.  It is true at most areas where travelers are common.  Look at beach towns for instance.  Pretty true most places I have come across.

[Baroclinic Zone]

Lovell, ME would be the spot for me.

[moneypitmike]

I wonder if, in a 32-33F event, you were getting SN/+SN while Wildcat had -SN for the same amount of time.

 

Maybe MPM could take a spin eastward on Hurrricane Mt Road toward North Fryeburg.  Some nice elevation there.

 

One of the aspects I love about the SR area in Maine is how "un-resorty" it is compared to some of the other bigger ski areas. Don't get me wrong, I love Killington and sometimes the resorty part is fun, especially if you love nightlife...but I find myself as I get older, I like the less developed regions.

 

Love the respectful exchanges here, and of course our perceptions will differ according to taste and experience.  Unlike ORH wxman, when I drive up Sunday River Road to work or recreate in the nearby Mahoosucs, I'm struck by the large (to me) amount of development compared to what was there 20 years ago.  Probably my view is a reflection of working in the woods of NW Maine, where towns have classic New England names like "Township 13 Range 12, West of the Easterly Line of the State."

 

 

 

I had done a drive-by look at a house on Hurricane Mountain (a funny name for a road in that part of the state imo).  Some really nice--and expensive--houses, and it does climb as you head east.  Too rich for my blood.

[NEK_VT_Upslope_Event]

Thanks for the info. I am leaning towards Northern Vermont and the Stowe area but I am interested in hearing more about the NEK. I am totally unfamiliar with that area so it deserves some investigation. Feel free to PM me.

Radders, I can also help offline on the NEK. Feel free to PM me if interested in another source.

[moneypitmike]

 

 

Looking at a topo map, it's at only 800', but is apparently at the bottom of a cliff as the elevation rises to 1400'  in just over a 1/4 mile to the NNW; to 2600' 2 miles west across the notch, and about 1600' 3/4 mile to the south.  To the east, you're just looking down the valley toward Attitash (the base lodge is essentially at river elevation).

 

I don't think that would make for a snow hole, and suspect there could be some blowdown given the proximity to the surrounding hills.    Even if it is a bad spot, I suspect it radiates like there's no tomorrow.

 

 

From the description if it, it sounds like a very good spot...if you are surrounded by higher terrain on 3 sides but down the valley to the east-southeast generally gets lower, then that would be a real weenie spot for snow retention and you wouldn't get downsloped in nor' easters. Even if you were surrounded on all 4 sides but the lower elevation was very local, then you wouldn't get downsloped since it takes a bit of a larger scale depression for that to become an issue.

 

Here's the rise that takes place in the backyard of one of the places--I guess it is kind of steep.   I liked the place--at the entrance to Crawford Notch.  My wife and daughter liked this one the best of the ones we saw, ftw.

 

Now time to decide if we put in an offer.

[powderfreak]

Don't know how you could go wrong MPM...certainly going to be snowier than GC.

[Ginx snewx]

Its still a fine line if you are discriminating against Mass/NY SUV's, haha. To be honest, the Burlington area and Champlain Valley has just as many "yuppies" as anywhere else (young-urban-professionals)...but I actually enjoy those families coming from out-of-state. No one seems to come in acting like they own the place, lol. You're always going to find that one bad apple, but the mom & dad that just want to go hiking and biking with their children are some of the better people to bring in, at least IMO. There's this stigma in VT that yuppies from Mass/NY/NJ are awful people, they litter the Vermont hillsides with trash or something, they treat everyone like sh*t...I have no idea where that comes from. Of course you get that more difficult person from time to time, but 99% of them are just happy-go-lucky families enjoying the American dream and going on a vacation to spend some time as a family outdoors in a beautiful place.

Its like some people in this state see a NJ SUV and start swearing "get the f' out of our state"...I have no idea where all that hostility comes from. Its like its ok for the Williston, VT yuppie to come to town with a brand new Suburban...but that same car shows up in VT with out-of-state plates and all the sudden that's a rude, inconsiderate family. Like Nittany, that stuff pisses me off to no end.

End rant, lol.

having grownup in a vacation tourist town I too heard a lot of negative comments directed at Mass Ct peeps. My dad always taught us to not bite the hand that feeds you. We often used entrepreneural skills to our gains when young, graduating from lemonade stands in traffic jam areas to selling alternative route maps to giving the ladies submarine race tours,lol. Never understood anyone who had hostility to folks trying to enjoy what mother nature put in my back yard

Yes we all looked forward to Labor Day but also loved the summer action.

[CoastalWx]

That's a good point PF. If anyone is coming in and trashing and littering...look no further to their own townies. In fact, that line of logic makes no sense at all. Nobody comes to a place known for beauty and relaxation to trash it or act like they own the joint. They come for exactly that, to take in nature and relax. 

[moneypitmike]

Don't know how you could go wrong MPM...certainly going to be snowier than GC.

 

From a snow standpoint, you're right.  The dilemma is the question:  do I really need to do this?   Not sure if it makes sense.  I suppose when they have snow on the hilltops around Nov 1 (?) it may be a little more clear.   

[moneypitmike]

The juxtaposition of the posts regarding native vs. tourist and my consideration of buying a NH home is somewhat ironic. 

[powderfreak]

The juxtaposition of the posts regarding native vs. tourist and my consideration of buying a NH home is somewhat ironic.

A very large number of the people I know both in Stowe, Waterbury, Burlington, what have you, are not native Vermonters. Granted my friend base is largely from going to UVM which although is a state college, has a huge out-of-state base. But I think it's why a lot of folks in eastern VT or NEK don't consider the ski towns or Burlington (large transient populations) true Vermont.

I never understood it but can see how there's the pride issue in play, trying to take ownership of where you are from without giving it away to people from elsewhere. That's a normal human reaction though, as for hundreds of years humans have been skeptical or gone to war or persecuted people not indigenous to a particular spot.

[powderfreak]

That's a good point PF. If anyone is coming in and trashing and littering...look no further to their own townies. In fact, that line of logic makes no sense at all. Nobody comes to a place known for beauty and relaxation to trash it or act like they own the joint. They come for exactly that, to take in nature and relax.

That is often the case...the person around here throwing their sandwich wrapper and Bud Light can out the window is the rural punk kid who thinks he's better than everyone else, but has zero respect for the beauty in the area he grew up in. You aren't seeing tourists ruining places they have come to enjoy, unless they are doing it unknowingly (it happens), but then a little education goes a long way rather than freaking out and yelling at a a family from Mass because they didn't know not to walk on the alpine vegetation or something like that haha.

[Ginx snewx]

That's a good point PF. If anyone is coming in and trashing and littering...look no further to their own townies. In fact, that line of logic makes no sense at all. Nobody comes to a place known for beauty and relaxation to trash it or act like they own the joint. They come for exactly that, to take in nature and relax.

well I have seen disregard and disrespectful activities by tourists at home and on vacation too. Often but not always it's the alcohol idiots. I took part in many beach cleanups over the years and yea some tourists can be pretty disgusting. The bring your own bag to the beach with no trash cans available was an abject failure.

[mreaves]

That is often the case...the person around here throwing their sandwich wrapper and Bud Light can out the window is the rural punk kid who thinks he's better than everyone else, but has zero respect for the beauty in the area he grew up in. You aren't seeing tourists ruining places they have come to enjoy, unless they are doing it unknowingly (it happens), but then a little education goes a long way rather than freaking out and yelling at a a family from Mass because they didn't know not to walk on the alpine vegetation or something like that haha.

PF, please don't take this the wrong way but the tone of what you just wrote is exactly the type of attitude that is annoying. You live here and I know how much you love it but you just said that you don't really know anybody from here and that it's the natives that generally cause problems. Although, I truly believe you did not mean to come off like that but you did. In many ways it seems as if you live in a Stowe bubble. I am not saying that locals don't cause any problems or are models of perfect behavior but they certainly aren't the only ones doing some of the things you noted either.

[mreaves]

That's a good point PF. If anyone is coming in and trashing and littering...look no further to their own townies. In fact, that line of logic makes no sense at all. Nobody comes to a place known for beauty and relaxation to trash it or act like they own the joint. They come for exactly that, to take in nature and relax.

You seem like a nice guy but if you truly believe that you are either blind or naive. People who are jerks at home are likely to be jerks when they are on vacation too. A really minor example of the attitude thing happened to me this morning while playing golf. I was part of a twosome playing behind an absolutely atrocious foursome. There were three holes open in front of them and four or five groups stacked up behind them. There were several opportunities to let people play through but they never did. We finally asked to play through and one of the guys yelled at us for playing too fast, never mind all the other groups they we're holding up. Anyway, once we were back in the parking lot, sure enough, they were from one of the states we have been talking about. Now I'm not saying I've never run into rude locals but to say people who are visiting a place don't bring attitudes with them is wrong.

[CoastalWx]

You seem like a nice guy but if you truly believe that you are either blind or naive. People who are jerks at home are likely to be jerks when they are on vacation too. A really minor example of the attitude thing happened to me this morning while playing golf. I was part of a twosome playing behind an absolutely atrocious foursome. There were three holes open in front of them and four or five groups stacked up behind them. There were several opportunities to let people play through but they never did. We finally asked to play through and one of the guys yelled at us for playing too fast, never mind all the other groups they we're holding up. Anyway, once we were back in the parking lot, sure enough, they were from one of the states we have been talking about. Now I'm not saying I've never run into rude locals but to say people who are visiting a place don't bring attitudes with them is wrong.

 

Of course there are one or two azzhats. I never meant none...but for the most part, people going up there to vacation, aren't looking to be D-bags. Are there? Of course...but for the most part I feel perfectly fine stating that the majority are just people looking to have a good time. 

[mreaves]

Of course there are one or two azzhats. I never meant none...but for the most part, people going up there to vacation, aren't looking to be D-bags. Are there? Of course...but for the most part I feel perfectly fine stating that the majority are just people looking to have a good time.

A lot of the animosity is generated by people who move up. You're right, when most people come up for vacation most people are fine but when people move up to a place they supposedly love and the try to change it, people get annoyed.

[CoastalWx]

A lot of the animosity is generated by people who move up. You're right, when most people come up for vacation most people are fine but when people move up to a place they supposedly love and the try to change it, people get annoyed.

 

I could understand that. I suppose vacationing and buying property are two different things. Sometimes people with money aren't the kindest. 

 

Personally, I love the feel up there. Having grown up near BOS, I always found NNE more of a place to vacation and relax, where I spent a week of my summer almost every year. 

[Weather.St]

I pretty much like where I live in Norwich,CT for snow. Sometimes we get hammered, other times we get that nice long-lasting light snowfall that makes for a good relaxation by the fireplace. We are close enough to the coast to get enhancement, but far enough away to somehow dodge the r/s line.