tamarack Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Although I think JSpin ran the numbers once and found no real change in the COOP's numbers between decades, but it's sort of a crapshoot what they come in with as density and wind play a factor in collection of each event. I think we'll do good this year...no reason to doubt it at all. Lots of powder will be skied. This led me to update my Mansfield co-op data, which pretty much confirms this if one skips over the oddly-low partial decade of the 50s. The 2010s are less than halfway thru, jury's still out. 1960s....203.7 1970s....252.5 1980s....200.0 1990s....228.3 2000s....259.7 2010s....198.4 Didn't run stats, but I'd guess that there's no sig difference among the decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The mountains usually do alright, especially for the amount of b'tching I did last winter, lol. Since I've been at Stowe, I've seen upper mountain snowfall range from 211" (2011-2012), to 374" (06-07, and 07-08). We've had a little run of below normal winters with 4 of the last 5 years failing to hit the 300" mark. Only 2010-2011 has done it lately. I'm torn between thinking we are due for a solid 300+ winter, but I'm also objective to know that 2000-2010 was the snowiest decade at BTV since 1882, and that likely translated to the mountain as well so it may skew our opinions to think its a poor winter if it doesn't snow 340". Although I think JSpin ran the numbers once and found no real change in the COOP's numbers between decades, but it's sort of a crapshoot what they come in with as density and wind play a factor in collection of each event. I think we'll do good this year...no reason to doubt it at all. Lots of powder will be skied. I hadn’t run the averages for Mt. Mansfield co-op snowfall by decade, but I did that now since you mentioned it: Period Mean 55-14 207.8” 1950s 157.8” 1960s 213.1” 1970s 248.8” 1980s 180.1” 1990s 225.8” 2000s 218.3” 2010s 164.1” The 2000s were a bit above average, but not up to the level of the 1970s or 1990s. This decade has definitely been in the basement so far though, with all of the seasons below average. The only decade with a lower seasonal average was the 1950s, and that’s from the very beginnings of the co-op site and only a partial decade data set (four seasons). It is important to note that this decade only has four seasons of data so far as well, so things may yet change with respect to the 2010s. We indeed appear to be either “due” for some above average seasons to support recovery to average, or this decade is going to go down as the lowest in the data set. From the plotted data one can see that this decade thus far represents the most pronounced “dip” in snowfall since that one in the mid/late 80s into the early 90s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 After seeing Tamarack’s post, I’ve got somewhat different numbers, so I’ll have to look into my data I’ve got and see where the differences are coming from. It could be the way I’ve downloaded it etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There definitely appears to be a decadal pattern to Mansfield's snowfall. It'sd a bit out of synch with our totals down in central and southern New England...but given the elevation there, it matters more how wet it is versus other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I seem to get a similar plot if I just let the SkiVT-L site plot the snowfall data itself: Are you getting your data from a different site Tamarack? Maybe there are some serious omissions of data at SkiVT-L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subdude Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I always enjoy this thread. We were in CO for July 4th. My son went to ski camp at Copper Mtn and skied July 1st - 3rd. It was neat watching the kids ski in July. They had plenty of snow as well... they're masters at moving snow. We drove to Breck and they were still skiing there as well. That being said, my ski season will be a short one as i'm going in for rotator cuff surgery on 9/4 and won't be able to ski until Feb or March if at all this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Been snowing hard down in Chile lately... That's the top of one of the chairlift towers...you can see the end of the sheave train sticking out of the snow. Trying to dig it out: I need to instruct those guys on how to do snow removal, Jebman style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Local hill's Labor Day sale in one week. One good sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Are you getting your data from a different site Tamarack? Maybe there are some serious omissions of data at SkiVT-L? Mine came from the Utah Climate Center. The two lists are fairly close for 60s, 70s, 90s, and quite far apart for 80s, 00s, 10s. Consistency, where art thou? (And my records are on another computer not accessible at present, so no simple way to check.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 There definitely appears to be a decadal pattern to Mansfield's snowfall. It'sd a bit out of synch with our totals down in central and southern New England...but given the elevation there, it matters more how wet it is versus other stuff. Yeah that is interesting, I never really looked at it on a graph but there's certainly some pattern there. Low snow years come in bunches, same with high snow years, at least looking past collection issues on a rocky summit. It appears as though there's a less likely chance of going from low snow to big snow years in back-to-back seasons...it's more like a step down/up process for whatever reason, unlike lower elevation spots that seem to jump all over the place (ie BTV with 120" in 10-11, followed by like 37" in '11-12). I would wonder what type of correlation mean temperatures might have with that pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Mine came from the Utah Climate Center. The two lists are fairly close for 60s, 70s, 90s, and quite far apart for 80s, 00s, 10s. Consistency, where art thou? (And my records are on another computer not accessible at present, so no simple way to check.) The poster Nittany may be able to shed some light if he can see what WFO BTV has for their official records, although I don't think he stops into the ski thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madroch Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Time for a lurker check in... love this thread... after numerous brutal 8 hour round day trips to PF's locale, am booking a week in March. Had always been partial to the mad river valley, but the more I poke around stowe, the more I like it. Looking forward to it. Will still do the mrv, but the extended stay this year is wagons north... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Time for a lurker check in... love this thread... after numerous brutal 8 hour round day trips to PF's locale, am booking a week in March. Had always been partial to the mad river valley, but the more I poke around stowe, the more I like it. Looking forward to it. Will still do the mrv, but the extended stay this year is wagons north...Nice bring your wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Nice bring your wallet And your powder skis Haha, and Ginxy I was just waiting for that response from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 First east coast snow...Gaspe Peninsula with a fresh coating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 And your powder skis Haha, and Ginxy I was just waiting for that response from you. am I lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Time for a lurker check in... love this thread... after numerous brutal 8 hour round day trips to PF's locale, am booking a week in March. Had always been partial to the mad river valley, but the more I poke around stowe, the more I like it. Looking forward to it. Will still do the mrv, but the extended stay this year is wagons north... Let me know when you come up, could give you a little locals tour if it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 am I lying? No, you just like to point that out. Stowe's $98 peak lift ticket should never be paid anyway...but its $12 more than Sunday River. If you use your smart phone from the ticket line at Stowe to buy online (which the ticket seller often will advise you to do) its $84, which puts it in the same range as a very large portion of New England ski resorts. But we don't need to rehash this again, lol. Its a bit more expensive, but there are ways around it, just like there are ways around paying walk-up at any ski resort. Heck Disney costs over $100 per day too, and there you get to wait in 45 minute lines, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 No, you just like to point that out. Stowe's $98 peak lift ticket should never be paid anyway...but its $12 more than Sunday River. If you use your smart phone from the ticket line at Stowe to buy online (which the ticket seller often will advise you to do) its $84, which puts it in the same range as a very large portion of New England ski resorts.well it's more than just a ticket, its the slopeside lodging, the food prices. Don't get me wrong the skiing is top notch but the prices are as steep as the snow is deep. I know you marketing types spin things but us experienced consumers, like Blizz 24 says, know something's. Let me know when Stowe has a 399 slope side 5 day ski and stay package I will be there in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 well it's more than just a ticket, its the slopeside lodging, the food prices. Don't get me wrong the skiing is top notch but the prices are as steep as the snow is deep. I know you marketing types spin things but us experienced consumers, like Blizz 24 says, know something's. Let me know when Stowe has a 399 slope side 5 day ski and stay package I will be there in a heartbeat. Yeah that deal you find in the spring is something else. I'll let ya know. You can stay in Stowe pretty cheap if you find the right property though...like where Blizz stayed during soccer tourny weekend. Since Stowe is state land mostly, the slopeside lodging is limited, thus driving prices through supply and demand. But there are enough lodges and inns around here for all price ranges...its not just all $300+ per night. Heck stay at the Best Western in Waterbury for real cheap and hit Stowe/Jay/Sugarbush/MRG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah that deal you find in the spring is something else. I'll let ya know. You can stay in Stowe pretty cheap if you find the right property though...like where Blizz stayed during soccer tourny weekend. Since Stowe is state land mostly, the slopeside lodging is limited, thus driving prices through supply and demand. But there are enough lodges and inns around here for all price ranges...its not just all $300+ per night. Heck stay at the Best Western in Waterbury for real cheap and hit Stowe/Jay/Sugarbush/MRG.yea there are options, I am coming up this year at some point probably late Feb early March, depends on what happens at work with all the layoffs. I may have ample ski time this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 yea there are options, I am coming up this year at some point probably late Feb early March, depends on what happens at work with all the layoffs. I may have ample ski time this winter. As always let me know if you do...I usually save my comp tickets for family but also get a slew of 50% off coupons. For someone like you I've known on the boards for years and years I'd hook something up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 As always let me know if you do...I usually save my comp tickets for family but also get a slew of 50% off coupons. For someone like you I've known on the boards for years and years I'd hook something up.awesome, will do and much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah that deal you find in the spring is something else. I'll let ya know. You can stay in Stowe pretty cheap if you find the right property though...like where Blizz stayed during soccer tourny weekend. Since Stowe is state land mostly, the slopeside lodging is limited, thus driving prices through supply and demand. But there are enough lodges and inns around here for all price ranges...its not just all $300+ per night. Heck stay at the Best Western in Waterbury for real cheap and hit Stowe/Jay/Sugarbush/MRG. Are there still sleeping bag "lofts" in VT, or has skiing been gentrified beyond that? Back in pre-history (1971), for my ski week at Glen Ellen I stayed in Waitsfield at the punningly named "Bagatelle" for $3/night. Might be $30-$40 at today's prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 First east coast snow...Gaspe Peninsula with a fresh coating. Chic Chocs GTG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Are there still sleeping bag "lofts" in VT, or has skiing been gentrified beyond that? Back in pre-history (1971), for my ski week at Glen Ellen I stayed in Waitsfield at the punningly named "Bagatelle" for $3/night. Might be $30-$40 at today's prices. The VT State ski dorm closed down a while ago at Mansfield but I wish that was still open...sounded like fun. Stale beer farts, ping-pong, and chilling in a communal living room with bunks off to the side. There are still hostels available...there's one up near Jay Peak called Grandpa Grunts Lodge that is supposed to be a "special" place, haha. On Mansfield you could stay at any one of the numerous huts on the mountain, lol. Most are illegal structures so won't go into info on here...but there's bunk rooms with wood stoves out there on the mountain in a few places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madroch Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Let me know when you come up, could give you a little locals tour if it works out. Thanks, will do. Will have rugrats (but aggressive ones) most days... if I get part of a day free would love a little local tour! And yes, bringing wallet-- wallet was the reason for previous aversion to longer stays.. but I have been having too much fun and my 12 yo son fell in love with the place last spring (his previous fav was castlerock at the bush.. but he likes the forerunner for quicker trips.. so he wants to split time this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 http://www.skibig3.com/lake-louise-ski-resort/surprise-septembersnow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 One of the mountains should be doing a "blow the mice out" gunning photo op soon Sunday River? K Mart? The Loaf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 One of the mountains should be doing a "blow the mice out" gunning photo op soon Sunday River? K Mart? The Loaf? Killington or Sunday River....and it'll depend on the type of cold shot. If it's like an H85 level driven cold then Killington's 3,000-4,000ft elevation of the Glades Triple where they make early snow will probably win the race. If it's a radiational cooling type cold increasing with height, then Sunday Rivers fan guns likely get turned on first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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