CT Rain Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The NWS really dropped the ball on the Revere tornado. TDS appears at 934A... warning issued at 944A. Probably wouldn't have gotten much (if any) lead time but still... gotta get that warning out faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinWX Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 We definitely had accelerated low level flow...I could not see any tight circulation tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Real busy today bit got a quick glimpse and man it was dark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin1927 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Revere Police @reverepolice Broadway @ Revere Beach Pkwy is now closed to all traffic. Please stay indoors and avoid the area. Multiple Power lines and trees down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkO Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Post from a friend who lives in Saugus who was in Revere: Omg i just experienced a torando in revere i am still shaking, i thought my car was going to get sweeped up. Saw man hanging to a stop sign off his feet sideways. I was actually duckinking in my car and stuff flyi.g everwhere. Car is also damaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Wind is ripping now behind the storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 We definitely had accelerated low level flow...I could not see any tight circulation tho. Wonder if the inflow off the ocean helped tighten that up. No terrain to inhibit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 That was quite a couplet earlier...only lasted one volume scan though. Wow, that's a warning every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The NWS really dropped the ball on the Revere tornado. TDS appears at 934A... warning issued at 944A. Probably wouldn't have gotten much (if any) lead time but still... gotta get that warning out faster. TDS? or TVS? That seems pretty far away to see debris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornadomachine Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The NWS really dropped the ball on the Revere tornado. TDS appears at 934A... warning issued at 944A. Probably wouldn't have gotten much (if any) lead time but still... gotta get that warning out faster. This is a perfect example of the extreme difficulty of warning storms... And its why the NWS' training only uses borderline events during simulations. Those storms out west yesterday had impressive rotations, but no warnings, and never produced. This storm had a marginal rotation until bam, high tornado for one scan. The way to fix this problem is to get faster radar scans, the NWS guys are doing their best with what they have. This kind of storm is the absolute nightmare scenario for anyone. Could you have predicted a tornado the scan before? Sorry if I'm a bit forceful, I just did a huge project on warning systems and learned tons about this kind of event from interviews. I wouldn't want to deal with this kind of stuff, too much pressure.EDIT: The average warning issuance time is 30 seconds for a trained warning forecaster, gotta have time to check the scan and the make the warning. Its not easy under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 TDS? or TVS? That seems pretty far away to see debris. Classic TDS. Not getting the "confirmed tornado" warning out right away is a real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin1927 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Wow. Just took a drive. Right down the street from me. Tons of branches down broadway Revere near Chelsea. Going to to grab a camera and snap a few pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornadomachine Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Wonder if the inflow off the ocean helped tighten that up. No terrain to inhibit it.Could also be terrain changes.http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2014/Q2/landscape-transition-zones-may-influence-where-tornadoes-strike.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Classic TDS. Not getting the "confirmed tornado" warning out right away is a real problem. Just saw that in AWIPS as I'm spinning up here. Going to be a long afternoon for me I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just saw that in AWIPS as I'm spinning up here. Going to be a long afternoon for me I think. I think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Was outside at South Station when that cell went over BOS...it was almost like a tropical storm really. Prob 40mph wind gusts with rain so heavy, it was like a waterfall out of the sky for a few minutes. I guess it was quite a bit windier just to the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 HRRR pretty robust with SB and ML Cape values later this afternoon, especially from like HFD on east. Even just looking at the high res models and near-term trends, you'd have to expect a narrow area of decent heating to 80+ from north-central Connecticut into portions of central Mass. There could be a few discrete cells or a broken line forming INVOF I-91 by mid to late afternoon. The low levels winds are really backed up near the NE Mass./SE NH border, so if they can recover, it could be game on (again?) up there too. Here's the video. The first 5-6 min is looking at first wall cloud we saw...then around 7-8 min is watching the leading edge of the rain come at us. Around 11:30-12:00 is just about when we see the second rotating wall cloud...was looking pretty impressive and we thought it was going to produce a funnel...there was a brief time where it looked but as I was going nuts over it, it sort of backed off it a bit. Nice work, Paul. Kudos for having the video camera ready to go. That rotating wall cloud was a really cool structure to see. Not sure what to make of the rope-looking feature, but overall there were multiple aspects of that storm that had clear rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Rt 2 corridor later. Hrrr lookscgreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Even just looking at the high res models and near-term trends, you'd have to expect a narrow area of decent heating to 80+ from north-central Connecticut into portions of central Mass. There could be a few discrete cells or a broken line forming INVOF I-91 by mid to late afternoon. The low levels winds are really backed up near the NE Mass./SE NH border, so if they can recover, it could be game on (again?) up there too. Nice work, Paul. Kudos for having the video camera ready to go. That rotating wall cloud was a really cool structure to see. Not sure what to make of the rope-looking feature, but overall there were multiple aspects of that storm that had clear rotation. My train got delayed from Springfield...so I did get to see the hail that hit town...it wasn't all that big at the station, maybe dime sized or a bit smaller. But the storm looked pretty good...I figured you guys went after it...esp considering the rotation it had right before you dropped me off. Tons of close CG strikes too in that storm from where I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I think so! That TDS is amazing. That far from BOX, what a tool dual-pol is. That tornado must've touched down before the tight couplet, because the debris was already in the air by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Sun's out in Falmouth. Saw a 2 minute shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Leaving to go home in an hour looks good for later maybe I will get lucky would stop in revere to check out damage but probably impossible to get around there that radar grab was impressive sun is back out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 That TDS is amazing. That far from BOX, what a tool dual-pol is. That tornado must've touched down before the tight couplet, because the debris was already in the air by then. It's only 2kft AGL though in Revere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just saw that in AWIPS as I'm spinning up here. Going to be a long afternoon for me I think.Can you see if you can spin up a TOR or 2 for me here in Jackson today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Ct north into Springfield. . East into orh county.. then into ne ma, se nh, western maine. Looks prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 That TDS is amazing. That far from BOX, what a tool dual-pol is. That tornado must've touched down before the tight couplet, because the debris was already in the air by then. I don't know how true this is, but a weather watcher who seems to be reliable reported what he saw as leaves in the air for hundreds of feet and what seemed to be birds thrown down in Needham heights. That was also an area of tighter rotation..but I didn't see if there was any debris sig..etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Revere video http://instagram.com/p/q_3bUAKYMF/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornadomachine Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Sig tor max in NE MA and NH, as per HRRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 It's only 2kft AGL though in Revere I guess I'm surprised it's only 35 or so miles from the radar there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Who is on at BOX today? I don't understand how that could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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