Rjay Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 A modern day 38' would probably do more damage than Sandy did. Not here but definitely on eastern LI and in se NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The boardwalk was disroyed during sandy. In Seaside Heights, not Atlantic City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NycStormChaser Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 In Seaside Heights, not Atlantic City. Parts of the Atlantic city boardwalk was distroyed, not all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Parts of the Atlantic city boardwalk was distroyed, not all of it Where? I'm guessing up in the very north end where it was already falling apart? The bridge between Brigantine and Atlantic City was also destroyed during 38'. Talking to my family that live in Pomona and Egg Harbor Township, Sandy was very underwhelming down that way. Partly because most of the weaker trees had been destroyed the year before during the derecho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I guess it's all relative. 38' today would likely do more damage locally than what Sandy did to the hardest hit areas. Sandy obviously hit a much larger total area. 38' was also more intact. Down near Cape May where the center of Sandy actually came on shore, the winds were much less severe than 150 miles to the north. The west side of the 1938 hurricane was nowhere near as intense as the east side. I read somewhere that winds may have gusted to 90-100 mph in and around NYC, and there was surge but not a huge surge, since winds were offshore. Winds didn't really get well over 100 mph unless you were near the William Floyd Parkway and east. Also, while eastern Suffolk has increased greatly in population, it still would be less overall damage than the worst impacts from Sandy over urban areas. Not many people would shed a lot of tears for damaged Hamptons mansions. The worst-damaged area would be Rhode Island and Providence from surge. NYC and NJ would have a lot of damage from waves, wind damage and the heavy rain on the west side, but surge would be comparatively uneventful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Where? I'm guessing up in the very north end where it was already falling apart? The bridge between Brigantine and Atlantic City was also destroyed during 38'. Talking to my family that live in Pomona and Egg Harbor Township, Sandy was very underwhelming down that way. Partly because most of the weaker trees had been destroyed the year before during the derecho. Sandy was also heavily favored in terms of wind on the northeast side. I was much further from the center but the winds/surge were devastating up this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The west side of the 1938 hurricane was nowhere near as intense as the east side. I read somewhere that winds may have gusted to 90-100 mph in and around NYC, and there was surge but not a huge surge, since winds were offshore. Winds didn't really get well over 100 mph unless you were near the William Floyd Parkway and east. Also, while eastern Suffolk has increased greatly in population, it still would be less overall damage than the worst impacts from Sandy over urban areas. Not many people would shed a lot of tears for damaged Hamptons mansions. The worst-damaged area would be Rhode Island and Providence from surge. NYC and NJ would have a lot of damage from waves, wind damage and the heavy rain on the west side, but surge would be comparatively uneventful. The biggest killer in 38' was from the storm surge on Long Island and coastal New Englad. I'm not sure how you can say the cost of damage would be less. Just because it might cause less damage in NYC proper has no bearing on the amount of overall property damage. Providence was completely flooded in 38'. The damage today would be right up there with Sandy if not more severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 One would hope that if another 38' was approaching the city of Providence would be smart enough to evacuate all of the low lying areas, although governments tend to have short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The biggest killer in 38' was from the storm surge on Long Island and coastal New Englad. I'm not sure how you can say the cost of damage would be less. Just because it might cause less damage in NYC proper has no bearing on the amount of overall property damage. Providence was completely flooded in 38'. The damage today would be right up there with Sandy if not more severe. It's estimated that another 1938 hurricane would cost approximately $40 billion using current population and 2010 dollars. Providence is a major population center but still pales in comparison to NYC. The major population centers around NYC would also be on the weaker west side of the storm. http://www.weather.gov/okx/1938HurricaneHome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Makes sense, goes to show you it's not all about intensity. Sandy > 1938 in terms of impacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjr231 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 People tend to forget that Sandy was all about timing as well. The worst surge coincided with high tide which was also unnaturally high at the time due to astronomical impact. There are so many factors to consider with these things that its tough to just compare a Sandy vs. '38 redux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 People tend to forget that Sandy was all about timing as well. The worst surge coincided with high tide which was also unnaturally high at the time due to astronomical impact. There are so many factors to consider with these things that its tough to just compare a Sandy vs. '38 redux. Yes astronomical high tide was a factor is the huge surge but to me it's all about track and size of the storm. The 38' storm made landfall so far east on LI that Sandy would still trump (at least in out area) a similar storm that made landfall in the same location today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 One thing is certain... from the perspective of a TC enthusiast, '38 remains much more impressive than Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 One thing is certain... from the perspective of a TC enthusiast, '38 remains much more impressive than Sandy. Definitely. Can't argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 We're also far more likely to see another 38 before we see another Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 We're also far more likely to see another 38 before we see another Sandy. How do you mean? I believe the two events were relatively similar with regard to storm structure (obviously '38 was more potent and tightly wound) and environmental steering currents. Would a broad, ET-transitioning Cat 1 into eastern LI be more like '38 or Sandy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser25973 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 How do you mean? I believe the two events were relatively similar with regard to storm structure (obviously '38 was more potent and tightly wound) and environmental steering currents. Would a broad, ET-transitioning Cat 1 into eastern LI be more like '38 or Sandy? As far as we can tell, 1938 was a 100% bonafide hurricane, while Sandy was a 2-in-1 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 As far as we can tell, 1938 was a 100% bonafide hurricane, while Sandy was a 2-in-1 storm. Well, it certainly would have been acquiring extratropical characteristics. Even so... given that it's harder for a system to maintain a deep symmetrical warm core at these latitudes, it should be somewhat easier to see another Sandy-like system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Time to dust off this topic once again as there is something of interest brewing in the Atlantic side http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Weather Lover Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Hello Fay. That certainly developed quickly. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Whats interesting is the one behind fay should it get its act together Hello Fay. That certainly developed quickly. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 18z GFS is fairly close to stalling this 90L inside the COL region of the departing cold front. If that happens, all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxwell03 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Not everyday will have tornadoes, hurricanes, mass flooding, or extreme temperatures. Welcome to normal. I wish global warming would take hold already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Weather Lover Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Now we have T.S. Gonzalo. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Nice name for a TC. Euro briefly attempts to negative tilt, unlikely but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Another two storms sending swell to area beaches. Extremely rare or ever to see the vast majority of storms in a given season send waves to the. NYC metro, talk about luck. There we're many years we got none let alone 90 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Anyone traveling to or in Bermuda this week ?- should be interesting http://www.weather.bm/maps/TropicalStormInfo.asp?WTNTnum=WTNT23&20141014201440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bermuda almost in the eye of the storm http://www.weather.bm/radarLarge.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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