NEG NAO Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Haven't you heard? I have the ability to control the weather just by posting day 9 Euro maps that show my desirable outcome. 9 day model maps always work out - especially when the heat has been showing up on them long range many times the last month or more - thats why we have had so many 90 degree days so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That was a high res map Huh? I don't see what's funny. You clearly misinterpreted my post. Sure it's the Hi-res Euro on WB, still low-res for the temp profile (13.91km resolution on WB). That's a terrible resolution to use temp profile right along the coast, just look at how smoothed the temp contours are. 4km or better is much more efficient to use for sea breezes and temp forecasting right along the immediate coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 OT: Would snow be able to accumulate if theoretically it were possible to have snowfall around the summer solstice at temps of around 30F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Huh? I don't see what's funny. You clearly misinterpreted my post. Sure it's the Hi-res Euro on WB, still low-res for the temp profile (13.91km resolution on WB). That's a terrible resolution to use temp profile right along the coast, just look at how smoothed the temp contours are. 4km or better is much more efficient to use for sea breezes and temp forecasting right along the immediate coast. The LOL is because it's an hour 204 map. Who cares what it shows. I posted it just to prove a point. Looks like the Euro ensemble mean is starting to catch onto the ULL along the east coast. Heat cancel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The LOL is because it's an hour 204 map. Who cares what it shows. I posted it just to prove a point. Looks like the Euro ensemble mean is starting to catch onto the ULL along the east coast. Heat cancel. Lol, you have no idea what you're even arguing. I'm arguing that it's too low resolution of a map to determine the sea breeze. You're arguing that with the ULL near the coast the heat might be shunted. I'm not arguing that. Go back, my original post wasn't even intended towards you. I'm talking about a low res map and a sea breeze. Not some ULL I couldn't care less about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 OT: Would snow be able to accumulate if theoretically it were possible to have snowfall around the summer solstice at temps of around 30F.Depends on ground temp and snowfall rate. If the ground were hovering around freezing and you had a high enough snowfall rate certainly. If ground temps are at temperatures they are now then probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The LOL is because it's an hour 204 map. Who cares what it shows. I posted it just to prove a point. Looks like the Euro ensemble mean is starting to catch onto the ULL along the east coast. Heat cancel. ? You can't post a map, claim that it shows a muted heatwave, and then get on another poster for commenting on that map ... saying "Who cares what it shows" when you a. not only care, but b. use it to make a point makes you look like: c. a d-bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Lol, you have no idea what you're even arguing. I'm arguing that it's too low resolution of a map to determine the sea breeze. You're arguing that with the ULL near the coast the heat might be shunted. I'm not arguing that. Go back, my original post wasn't even intended towards you. I'm talking about a low res map and a sea breeze. Not some ULL I couldn't care less about. The cooler coastal temps are likely from the influince of the ULL. Not the seabreeze. Take it out of the equation and that same frame would show 90's right to the beaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The cooler coastal temps are likely from the influince of the ULL. Not the seabreeze. Take it out of the equation and that same frame would show 90's right to the beaches. I have WB too, whenever we get heat around here there's always a big contrast between coastal sections and inland sections, 90's inland, 70 at the coast. I doubt the ULL is a big contributing factor of the 70's at the coast since it always shows those temps. Guarantee if you ran a 4km version of the Euro, LI would be mid and upper 80's on that panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 ? You can't post a map, claim that it shows a muted heatwave, and then get on another poster for commenting on that map ... saying "Who cares what it shows" when you a. not only care, but b. use it to make a point makes you look like: c. a d-bag The 70 reading on the beach has no bearing on my argument for a muted heat wave. The low 90's is all I care about, because that is the warmest it gets the entire run anywhere in this region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I have WB too, whenever we get heat around here there's always a big contrast between coastal sections and inland sections, 90's inland, 70 at the coast. I doubt the ULL is a big contributing factor of the 70's at the coast since it always shows those temps. Guarantee if you ran a 4km version of the Euro, LI would be mid and upper 80's on that panel.Again, I'm concerned with inland temps which are more legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Again, I'm concerned with inland temps which are more legit. Well I'm concerned with what it shows for coastal sections. So why are we arguing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hopefully that outcome only happens when you have Yankees game plans or other outdoor activities scheduled. Agree….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 OT: Would snow be able to accumulate if theoretically it were possible to have snowfall around the summer solstice at temps of around 30F. When I lived in Tahoe it snowed about 3" at my house 300 feet above the lake (about 7000 feet) on summer solstice day and twice more before the end of the month. On the 30th of June I was playing in ~15" of snow at 9500 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 When I lived in Tahoe it snowed about 3" at my house 300 feet above the lake (about 7000 feet) on summer solstice day and twice more before the end of the month. On the 30th of June I was playing in ~15" of snow at 9500 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Amazing....mountains of Colorado are the same it can snow almost anytime of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 any heat looks to be short lived. It may be hot for a short time, but really nothing unprecedented for this time of year. Then it may be back to more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 When I lived in Tahoe it snowed about 3" at my house 300 feet above the lake (about 7000 feet) on summer solstice day and twice more before the end of the month. On the 30th of June I was playing in ~15" of snow at 9500 feet. Given that you were 9500 feet closer to the sun than we are down here, the melting rate of that snow must have been insane. You probably had 5 minutes to build a snowman before it was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 any heat looks to be short lived. It may be hot for a short time, but really nothing unprecedented for this time of year. Then it may be back to more of the same. The Euro looks like it went back to a parade of troughs into the Northeast and east of here after maybe a day or two of heat. Just given how this pattern has persisted for months now, I'd expect this to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Given that you were 9500 feet closer to the sun than we are down here, the melting rate of that snow must have been insane. That is meant satirically, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The Euro looks like it went back to a parade of troughs into the Northeast and east of here after maybe a day or two of heat. Just given how this pattern has persisted for months now, I'd expect this to continue. The peanut gallery is awfully quiet today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 That is meant satirically, right? I see what you mean but surely there's some truth to it? They build deep space observatories at high elevations because thinner atmosphere = less light obstruction. I'd imagine the sun would be a bit more piercing at 10,000 ft than sea level, but I've never been above a couple thousand ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I see what you mean but surely there's some truth to it? They build deep space observatories at high elevations because thinner atmosphere = less light obstruction. I'd imagine the sun would be a bit more piercing at 10,000 ft than sea level, but I've never been above a couple thousand ft. You might have a point...come to think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The Euro looks like it went back to a parade of troughs into the Northeast and east of here after maybe a day or two of heat. Just given how this pattern has persisted for months now, I'd expect this to continue. That's why the Euro ensemble mean is the way to go past 120 since it never jumped on the very warm solutions of the OP. It has always had troughing near the coast like we have been seeing so far this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The Euro looks like it went back to a parade of troughs into the Northeast and east of here after maybe a day or two of heat. Just given how this pattern has persisted for months now, I'd expect this to continue. yeah pretty much. You kind of have to go with persistence of the pattern until it actually changes. Always seems like the change is a week or two away, but as we move closer in, that just isnt the case. A couple days of heat, and back to more of the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The peanut gallery is awfully quiet today. are you surprised? lol This is the way this pattern has been. A couple warm to hot days followed by more of the same weather we have been seeing for a while now. You know the heat mongers are getting antsy when they are jumping on heat/ potential pattern changes that are nearly two weeks away. Until we see the pattern change real time and start seeing extended warmth, there isnt really a reason to stray from more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 still looks hot next week. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 That's why the Euro ensemble mean is the way to go past 120 since it never jumped on the very warm solutions of the OP. It has always had troughing near the coast like we have been seeing so far this spring. that has been pretty relentless so far this spring and early summer. It has really muted what could have been some really warm periods for the northeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 still looks hot next week. lol Upper 80's and low 90's aren't even noteworthy this time of year. It's going to be July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 You'd think that people would want that trough near the east coast. It's keeping most of the rain to our west and has brought pleasant conditions to this area. If the heat comes east, so will the convection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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