moneypitmike Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yes, GC for the win. .. I'm open minded when it comes to the use of ac... But I think it's a little hypocritical to require them after 5/15 for survival, but claim that you love extremes and can't live without HHH weather. Always found that amusing. Sent from my SPH-L720T You're right. It can't be confused with loving extreme winter yet using heat. That IS a matter of survival. I'm going to amend my temp climb. The weatherlink clock is not set properly, so the timing of the temp change is not right. Furthermore, I turned on the pool heater at about 6:00a.m.. It's close to 150' from my sensor--can it have an impact that far away? Fortunately, the heater will be used infrequently after this initial attempt to warm things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 OT but how was the show? I haven't seen them in years. It was one of the better ones. I'm not a diehard fan like my wife is, but tailgating and talent scouting is always a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 You are right though, the text formatters and P&C are inherently "stupid," so any grid errors (like blizzard conditions, temps in the 50s) will show up in these if we don't QC diligently. Or wind chill of -100, which showed up a week or so ago for a couple GYX zones despite forecast temps in the 60s. Thought maybe the Vostok numbers had snuck in. Good for a chuckle, and the overall forecast was right on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Not exactly. They are based off the forecast database. We can make that database look however we want based on our forecast thoughts (and they are the same grids that run the text products like ZFP too). Basically it is one of our main job duties, to make sure the forecast gets to the website (preferably consistent and collaborated). Now whether you want to trust them is a valid question. It's nearly impossible to get every 2.5 km grid correct within a CWA. And if the weenies want IMBY stuff, 2.5 km just isn't going to cut it. You are right though, the text formatters and P&C are inherently "stupid," so any grid errors (like blizzard conditions, temps in the 50s) will show up in these if we don't QC diligently. I'm old school......always liked the ZFP for a quick and dirty forecast. I do think the point and clicks are great for people doing outdoor stuff like hiking and skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Happy 4th... FIRST CONNECTICUT LAKE (272999)ExtremesLowest Daily Minimum Temperature degrees FDays: 7/1 - 7/31Length of period: 1 dayYears: 1850-2014Rank Value Ending Date 1 29.0 7/ 2/1992 2 30.0 7/ 5/1962 3 31.0 7/ 3/1962 That is impressive. My record low for July is 37 on the 1st in 1988. I looked back at 1992 and it was in the 50s here on 2nd. Amazing what differences can be had. After the first week I don't have any record lows <46. In fact, at the peak of climatological summer from 7/18-7/23 I only have one record low <50. FWIW, The record only goes back 1985 so it's not like it's never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Happy 4th... FIRST CONNECTICUT LAKE (272999) Extremes Lowest Daily Minimum Temperature degrees F Days: 7/1 - 7/31 Length of period: 1 day Years: 1850-2014 Rank Value Ending Date 1 29.0 7/ 2/1992 2 30.0 7/ 5/1962 3 31.0 7/ 3/1962 lol...happy growing season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Back when I had to put a/c in...4 units, it was typically mid June. Ocean ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 What's the deal with the clouds in western mass?? Will the be clearing out?? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 What's the deal with the clouds in western mass?? Will the be clearing out?? Thanks. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SAT_PA/anim8vis.htmlIt should improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SAT_PA/anim8vis.html It should improve. thanks....phone, ftl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Not exactly. They are based off the forecast database. We can make that database look however we want based on our forecast thoughts (and they are the same grids that run the text products like ZFP too). Basically it is one of our main job duties, to make sure the forecast gets to the website (preferably consistent and collaborated). Now whether you want to trust them is a valid question. It's nearly impossible to get every 2.5 km grid correct within a CWA. And if the weenies want IMBY stuff, 2.5 km just isn't going to cut it. You are right though, the text formatters and P&C are inherently "stupid," so any grid errors (like blizzard conditions, temps in the 50s) will show up in these if we don't QC diligently. Interesting. Yeah, we were about to do a round of disk golf up at Barre Falls a few years ago, and I was wearing a t-shirt that read "I'd rather be doing Meteorology." This dude passing by let out a, "Heh!" and said "I like your shirt," with some trailing chortle. I stopped for a moment to ask him if he were into weather; something in his expression in the way he acknowledged the humor told me so, and sure enough he said he was a Meteorologist, and that he worked for the NWS. I asked him which office and he said he worked down in D.C. in the "Verification Office" ...if memory serves? I'm pretty sure that's what he called it. That of course opened the flood-gates for addition muse (pick your cliche...), but after a couple of moments of it I stated, "Oh, so they do get monitored - " He said, "Oh yea," with goodly bit more furled brow of sincerity. My friend that was with me was also a Meteorologist, so it was like a Meteorologist disk golf soiree by total accident. Chris then showed up to join in, and guess what ... he's a Met too. Weird. Fist full of Mets getting ready to tee-off hole 1. Anyway, their group of dudes went off on their own round, but before parting company we did mention those pt -click 'casts, and that's when he said they are DB automated. He didn't expand much beyond that statement, but it sounds from what you are saying like we are actually talking about the same thing; the bottom line is, they may be useful in general but there are circumstances when they are less than. I mean, obviously something absurd like a blizzard in the mid 50s is going to look strange enough to Tom, Dick and Harry that they'll not trust them (err... outside of the red states...ha!) seriously, how frequently are they more subtly, thus, less obviously off? Like if the morning AFD (the 4am one) discusses the 0 and 6z NAM as re-positioning a warm boundary more toward Concord NH as opposed to hanging it up down our way, and that other shorter range meso-scale guidance have also backed away from the MCS that was otherwise supposed to scale the boundary and force it south do to cold outflow ...etc, etc... and rad confirmed that no MCS made the trek, that might make the different between highs near 90 and highs around 80. Yet the pt -click lag behind this augmented view point, and be less obvious to Tom, Dick or Harry. And trust me... they are not cleaving open the discussions, and wouldn't understand much of the analytics of the thing, anyway. ..Then of course later that night around the grill the dirt neck field stone mover is all pissed off because it was so bleamin' hot when it was 'supposed to only be 80.' Heh, it's all an ever improving art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 What's the deal with the clouds in western mass?? Will the be clearing out?? Thanks. Narrow band of high cloud racing east... .You should average out sunnier than not today. Wow, I'm 82 at 11:30 here N Middlesex Co. That's not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Narrow band of high cloud racing east... .You should average out sunnier than not today. Wow, I'm 82 at 11:30 here N Middlesex Co. That's not bad Thanks, John. 74.9/61 at the Pit. 80*+ is possible once the sun comes out methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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powderfreak Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I'm old school......always liked the ZFP for a quick and dirty forecast. I do think the point and clicks are great for people doing outdoor stuff like hiking and skiing. I'm with you...I always go for the zone forecast. I don't think there's a forecast out there that is as concise and gets you the information you need like the zone forecasts. Like you said though, the point 'n click has benefits for the terrain differences... during our daily Mountain Operations meetings we usually have the hourly weather forecast graphs projected on the screen for three different elevations. To have one product go out a couple days in time with a temperature/wind/precip trends...those hourly graphs from NWS are one of the best parts of the PC forecasts, as long as you don't take them literally to the minute but give an awesome overview of what the WFO is thinking. Now if only those things plotted wet bulb temperatures.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Another true winner out there... 81F now after a low of 47F. Great sleeping weather and warm, summery afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Interesting flow this week. Seems split along the 40th parallel, being progressive beneath that latitude to somewhat retaining of a block-bias spring above... Although perhaps alleviating some in time. Through the week, appears that we are really prone to some BD as the ridging aloft tends to break and bend into NW flow intervals at mid levels, from time to time. There's bound to be a boundary in the area. Should an MCS manage to scoot by N it would constructively reposition S. Or not... any BD that takes place, though isn't anywhere close to the ilk of those that transported 48F air into NE mass of a month ago, and may actually be welcomed/refreshing... It's 85 here and comfort is just being challenged a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 This week is definitely going to be one of those battles. It's warm aloft..but as we've said many times...front placement is key. Looks like even Tuesday runs the risk of winds perhaps turning onshore...and then staying that way through at least Thursday. If it's sunny...it's probably one of those "warmer" type seabreezes with temps aloft staying mild. If it's cloudy or rainy...then expect raw conditions. I will add....I'll take these dewpoints all summer. Sure it may be boring wx wise...but man what awesome wx as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 This week is definitely going to be one of those battles. It's warm aloft..but as we've said many times...front placement is key. Looks like even Tuesday runs the risk of winds perhaps turning onshore...and then staying that way through at least Thursday. If it's sunny...it's probably one of those "warmer" type seabreezes with temps aloft staying mild. If it's cloudy or rainy...then expect raw conditions. I will add....I'll take these dewpoints all summer. Sure it may be boring wx wise...but man what awesome wx as a whole. 82/45...can't beat that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 82/45...can't beat that. The nights are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Looks like a pretty crummy week. Lots of clouds, occasional showers, a touch muggy. Yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 82/45...can't beat that. < 30% RH FTW Love the 40s by night, 80s by day program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Looks like a pretty crummy week. Lots of clouds, occasional showers, a touch muggy. Yuck. It's had that off and on look for awhile. Kind of meh overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 BOX discussions have been lackluster lately. Expect precip to move into most of the region during the day but then later in the same paragraph, expect most of the east to be dry... then also says more sun than clouds in the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 < 30% RH FTW Love the 40s by night, 80s by day program. I'd love that but it was low 50s here this morning. I don't see anything lower for the next week. Today was pushing the comfort level so I had to break down and turn on the A/C. It' still comfortable outside to work and I hope the humidity stays down all summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Not even thinking about AC,beautiful hot day with low dews, pool 72,refreshing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Looks like a pretty crummy week. Lots of clouds, occasional showers, a touch muggy. Yuck. I hate these borderline periods where it's not really hot and not really super comfortable either. It's still fine by summer standards and comfortable enough to be outside which is great I guess. I just wish the nights were cooler so I could get my house cool enough to not have to turn on the A/C in the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Not even thinking about AC,beautiful hot day with low dews, pool 72,refreshing No pool and south facing side of the house was warm - not cool enough last night to chill the house like previous nights have been. I just needed to take the edge off. It was in the 80s here, not low 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 No pool and south facing side of the house was warm - not cool enough last night to chill the house like previous nights have been. I just needed to take the edge off. It was in the 80s here, not low 70s.lots of shade,80s here too,Pool was 72,in house got to 75 now 69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 lots of shade,80s here too,Pool was 72,in house got to 75 now 69 That's the key...a house out in the open, especially if it has a lot of windows, will cook pretty good at full sun and mid-80s. Living in the trees really helps with staying cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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