weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm excited for it. It certainly will be far from boring. Was looking at PWAT's.. They don't come down until the wee hours of Thursday (UTC). (EURO) The PWAT values are pretty crazy...actually to the extent to where they could result as a negative for stronger Cape values. Any convection though is going to produce a lot of rain in a very short amount of time. Flash flooding definitely should be the #1 concern overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Lol severe over snow, Seriously? Not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Who cares...silly argument...it's like arguing over ketchup or mustard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No argument at all, Snow rules, We don't live in Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No argument at all, Snow rules, We don't live in KansasI like weather where I don't have to spend a fortune to maybe not even see. Weather comes to me no need to pay to go find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 I still don't understand why when it comes to to severe we have to be compared to the severe weather capital of the world, however, when it comes to snow nobody will go ahead and compare it to other places or areas which receive more snow. Our region is incredibly unique...we get a fair share of snowfall during the cold months, we get our share of severe during the warm months, and we are in an area which could be affected by tropical activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I like weather where I don't have to spend a fortune to maybe not even see. Weather comes to me no need to pay to go find it.Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Winter weather can be just as damaging and deadly as severe weather can be. Ice storms can cause widespread destruction and power outages for a long time, wet snows can lead to tree damage...resulting in power outages, damage to homes...they lead to numerous traffic accidents...people become stranded. There is no type of weather that doesn't come with a risk of damage to property or human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Winter weather can be just as damaging and deadly as severe weather can be. Ice storms can cause widespread destruction and power outages for a long time, wet snows can lead to tree damage...resulting in power outages, damage to homes...they lead to numerous traffic accidents...people become stranded. There is no type of weather that doesn't come with a risk of damage to property or human life.Tornado damage is brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I still don't understand why when it comes to to severe we have to be compared to the severe weather capital of the world, however, when it comes to snow nobody will go ahead and compare it to other places or areas which receive more snow. Our region is incredibly unique...we get a fair share of snowfall during the cold months, we get our share of severe during the warm months, and we are in an area which could be affected by tropical activity. Well, That all depends on what region you are in, I would not consider maybe 1 or 2 severe events in a season a fair share, And tropical events are usually quite meh as the are transitioning to extra trop status most of the time when they hit the colder waters up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Tornado damage is brutal Absolutely...not saying it isn't worse than any other wx event..just saying that each wx hazard comes with the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterfish55 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Don't care about the severe at this point, just need the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Well, That all depends on what region you are in, I would not consider maybe 1 or 2 severe events in a season a fair share, And tropical events are usually quite meh as the are transitioning to extra trop status most of the time when they hit the colder waters up here Our severe weather is usually downplayed quite a bit...only b/c it doesn't affect as much people but in reality our region sees it's fair share. Certainly it isn't as extreme as what they get out west but that doesn't mean we don't get it. Sure it may be more marginal and trees here may be weaker and topple over at 40 mph gusts but that is still significant...especially b/c downed trees brings the threat for falling on homes and killing people...something that happens several times a year here. What also seems to happen quite a lot is we get nasty looking storms but they end up traveling over no mans land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornadomachine Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Whatever happened to enjoying the weather as it comes? We don't get spinners in the winter, so then I enjoy snowstorms. We don't get blizzards in summer, so I enjoy convection. Just because I favor convective weather doesn't mean I hate snow, they can't really be compared. They're so different, they both bring unique excitement to the table. Unfortunately, they both cause damage, but isn't it our obligation to help inform those around us so that they can be properly prepared? Seem to be stuck at a point in this event where we might have to wait and see what this airmass does. Could be big, could be bust. I'd ready for severe, all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 18z NAM slowed way, way down. Doesn't clear through 84 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Snownado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 The 18z NAM is quite interesting for Monday...still not really sold on much on Tuesday except perhaps for eastern MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The 18z NAM is quite interesting for Monday...still not really sold on much on Tuesday except perhaps for eastern MA The front is still in Western New York Tues Am..Tuesday is the big day region wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Phil has a real nice depiction..hopefully this works out for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I like weather where I don't have to spend a fortune to maybe not even see. Weather comes to me no need to pay to go find it.Was a joke anyway. Tho snow does attract the lowest common denominator. Ooh pretty! Not sure about the rest. Saw more good storms in 10 days than most will in years around here. About the cheapest vacation you can take if you aren't with a tour group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Was a joke anyway. Tho snow does attract the lowest common denominator. Ooh pretty! Not sure about the rest. Saw more good storms in 10 days than most will in years around here. About the cheapest vacation you can take if you aren't with a tour group! I sort of hate how this board separates winter from severe. It's almost like the majority see it as those who like severe hate snow and those who like snow hate severe. Is it not possible to be in love with both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 The front is still in Western New York Tues Am..Tuesday is the big day region wide Well see that's the issue I was talking about earlier...some people put way too much emphasis on the actual positioning of the front...cold fronts mean very little here when it comes to convection and such. Our focus should be more on pre-frontal trough placement and speed along with any other wind shifts that occur in the llvls. Yes...the 18z NAM is much slower but the llvls still begin to dry out early on and that's a CAPE killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Don't care about the severe at this point, just need the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I sort of hate how this board separates winter from severe. It's almost like the majority see it as those who like severe hate snow and those who like snow hate severe. Is it not possible to be in love with both?Prob partly amounts to what people see frequently. Doubt a lot of people found their love of weather in New England from tornado watching etc. There are t'storm yocals in places that get them all the time of course.. This and Eastern have always just been snow fiend dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Well see that's the issue I was talking about earlier...some people put way too much emphasis on the actual positioning of the front...cold fronts mean very little here when it comes to convection and such. Our focus should be more on pre-frontal trough placement and speed along with any other wind shifts that occur in the llvls. Yes...the 18z NAM is much slower but the llvls still begin to dry out early on and that's a CAPE killer The Euro looks awesome for Tuesday. It's almost dangerous looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Prob partly amounts to what people see frequently. Doubt a lot of people found their love of weather in New England from tornado watching etc. There are t'storm yocals in places that get them all the time of course.. This and Eastern have always just been snow fiend dominated. I definitely agree with this. It irritates me at times when you have people that only care about what happens in their backyards. I get that for 99% of people it doesn't matter what happens elsewhere but why have to post about it, derail discussions, and take the excitement away from others? IMO, a true weather enthusiast is excited about all types of weather and really cares about weather...regardless of what happens where they live or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 The Euro looks awesome for Tuesday. It's almost dangerous looking I won't disagree here...the Euro doesn't look bad at all and has somewhat backed llvl flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No argument at all, Snow rules, We don't live in Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I mean I love a good summer storm but living here I'm a realist. When I was in Princeton last weekend I saw better severe than I do in most years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Phil has a real nice depiction..hopefully this works out for everyone Hope so. The euro doesn't push the warm boundary back through here until around sunset Tuesday. Until then it's E flow and elevated convection for N/C NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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