SluggerWx Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gravity waves in the Gulf on visible this AM? That sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Baxter Springs, KS tornado This post has been promoted to an article That's an impressive picture. 100 homes and 12 businesses were damaged. The death in nearby Quapaw, OK was actually a man traveling through town with his wife, the man was from Baxter Springs. They parked in a parking lot and a concrete wall fell on his car, killing him, the wife was taken to a hospital and released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SluggerWx, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:Gravity waves in the Gulf on visible this AM? That sounds familiar. Looks very familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago Storm Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gravity waves showing up in W. Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKStormFan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Forgive my ignorance and lack of knowledge, but what exactly are gravity waves? What do they affect? What do they pre-cursor? Thanks. Big learning curve on this thread for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Forgive my ignorance and lack of knowledge, but what exactly are gravity waves? What do they affect? What do they pre-cursor? Thanks. Big learning curve on this thread for me. A quick search yielded this result: http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/19mar_grits/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The fact that we have the gravity wave extending into LA where cells are supposed to initiate is somewhat concerning. Mentioned the possibility of this occurring last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrgjeff Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Northern Mississippi will see tornadoes this afternoon. OFB has set up from morning convection. OFB arcs from North Alabama, back through Mississippi, curling up through Memphis into eastern Arkansas. Pac CF / quasi-DL is moving into eastern Arkansas. Upstairs a jet max is departing the Delta region. New jet max is coming in from the OK/TX Red River Valley. LLJ is currently disrupted by central Mississippi rain, but it will push through with authority later this afternoon. Thunderstorms in northeast Arkansas are weakening as morning jet max lift departs. Despite broken clouds Delta region atmosphere will recharge with ample heating. The OK/TX jet max will start to come in by mid-afternoon. It will be somewhat more perpendicular to the Pac CF / quasi-DL but thankfully (for public) still about 45 deg not 90 deg. The said second jet max will enhance the LLJ as well by late afternoon. Expect new thunderstorms to develop close to the Mississippi River. Interaction of the CF/quasi-DL with the OFB will be a focal point for strong/long-track supercells. Except for terrain, this is a chasable day with a somewhat defined target (for the South). Nowcasting the boundary intersection will be vital. Safety is always first in the hazy Southern environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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geddyweather Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Might just be me, but is anyone else seeing parallels to what happened yesterday? Lots of crapvection that was out earlier now starting to break up. 1630z SPC outlook should be out shortly....thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherPimp Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SPC outlook is running way late. Normally there is a good reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SPC outlook is pretty late...interested to see whats going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yep, been a while since they've made us wait 15 or more minutes past the expected outlook release time. Makes me think there might be some changes upcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddyweather Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SPC outlook is running way late. Normally there is a good reason for that. Noticed that, hmmmm.... Starting to see some nicer cells pop up on the AR/LA/MS line too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadoguy11 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think a high risk is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SPC outlook is pretty late...interested to see whats going on. Virtually no change. ..MS/AL/TN THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT MORNING STORMS HAVE BEEN WEAKENING...LEAVING AN OUTFLOW BOUNDARY THAT IS BETTER-DEFINED ACROSS SRN MIDDLE TN...AND MORE DIFFUSE WITH SWWD EXTENT ACROSS NW MS TO NE LA. CLEARING OF THE MORNING CLOUD DEBRIS IS ALSO ALLOWING STRONGER SURFACE HEATING TO COMMENCE FROM LA INTO SW MS...WITH ADDITIONAL CLEARING EXPECTED BY EARLY AFTERNOON ACROSS NE MS AND NW AL. BY EARLY AFTERNOON...WEAKENING OF CONVECTIVE INHIBITION SHOULD ALLOW RENEWED STORM DEVELOPMENT ALONG OR JUST E OF THE RESIDUAL OUTFLOW BOUNDARY FROM NE LA NEWD ACROSS MS AND NW AL TO SRN MIDDLE TN BY EARLY-MID AFTERNOON. THE STORM ENVIRONMENT WILL BE CHARACTERIZED BY MLCAPE NEAR 2000 J/KG...EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR OF 50-60 KT...EFFECTIVE SRH OF 200-300 MS2/S2...AND A MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER. GIVEN THE SUBTLE FORCING FOR ASCENT...A DISCRETE OR CLUSTER SUPERCELL MODE APPEARS LIKELY...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERAL STRONG AND LONG-TRACK TORNADOES THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING FROM CENTRAL MS NEWD TO NW AL. THIS AREA WILL BE MONITORED CAREFULLY FOR A HIGH RISK UPGRADE IN A NARROW CORRIDOR BY 20Z. BY LATE EVENING AND OVERNIGHT...CONVECTION SHOULD EVOLVE INTO A BAND OF STORMS WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS AND BOWING SEGMENTS...WITH A CONTINUED RISK FOR A FEW TORNADOES...DAMAGING WINDS...AND LARGE HAIL WELL INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS ACROSS ERN TN...NW GA...AL AND CENTRAL/SRN MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 SPC AC 281646 DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1146 AM CDT MON APR 28 2014 VALID 281630Z - 291200Z ...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON INTO EARLY TONIGHT ACROSS PARTS OF MS...AL..TN... ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS AROSS A LARGE AREA FROM THE LOWER/MID MS VALLEY EWD TO THE SRN APPALACHIANS AND CAROLINAS... ...SUMMARY... A SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK IS FORECAST TODAY INTO TONIGHT FROM PARTS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY INTO THE TENNESSEE VALLEY AND CENTRAL GULF COAST STATES. NUMEROUS TORNADOES ARE EXPECTED...SOME OF WHICH COULD BE INTENSE. VERY LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING STRAIGHT LINE WINDS ARE ALSO LIKELY. ...SYNOPSIS... A CLOSED/OCCLUDED LOW OVER ERN NEB WILL WOBBLE EWD ACROSS IA/NRN MO AS SERIES OF EMBEDDED SPEED MAXIMA ROTATE AROUND THE SRN AND ERN PERIPHERY OF THE LOW. AT THE SURFACE...THE WARM SECTOR EXTENDS AS FAR N/NW AS CENTRAL IL AND SRN IA...THOUGH THE RICHER MOISTURE AND GREATER BUOYANCY WILL BE CONFINED TO THE LA/MS/AL AREA TODAY. THE MAIN SEVERE THREATS THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE CONFINED TO TWO CORRIDORS - A SUPERCELL/TORNADO RISK FROM MS ACROSS NW AL/SRN MIDDLE TN...AND AN ARC OF STORMS WITHIN THE DRY SLOT FROM SRN IA TO CENTRAL IL. ...MS/AL/TN THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT... MORNING STORMS HAVE BEEN WEAKENING...LEAVING AN OUTFLOW BOUNDARY THAT IS BETTER-DEFINED ACROSS SRN MIDDLE TN...AND MORE DIFFUSE WITH SWWD EXTENT ACROSS NW MS TO NE LA. CLEARING OF THE MORNING CLOUD DEBRIS IS ALSO ALLOWING STRONGER SURFACE HEATING TO COMMENCE FROM LA INTO SW MS...WITH ADDITIONAL CLEARING EXPECTED BY EARLY AFTERNOON ACROSS NE MS AND NW AL. BY EARLY AFTERNOON...WEAKENING OF CONVECTIVE INHIBITION SHOULD ALLOW RENEWED STORM DEVELOPMENT ALONG OR JUST E OF THE RESIDUAL OUTFLOW BOUNDARY FROM NE LA NEWD ACROSS MS AND NW AL TO SRN MIDDLE TN BY EARLY-MID AFTERNOON. THE STORM ENVIRONMENT WILL BE CHARACTERIZED BY MLCAPE NEAR 2000 J/KG...EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR OF 50-60 KT...EFFECTIVE SRH OF 200-300 MS2/S2...AND A MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER. GIVEN THE SUBTLE FORCING FOR ASCENT...A DISCRETE OR CLUSTER SUPERCELL MODE APPEARS LIKELY...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERAL STRONG AND LONG-TRACK TORNADOES THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING FROM CENTRAL MS NEWD TO NW AL. THIS AREA WILL BE MONITORED CAREFULLY FOR A HIGH RISK UPGRADE IN A NARROW CORRIDOR BY 20Z. BY LATE EVENING AND OVERNIGHT...CONVECTION SHOULD EVOLVE INTO A BAND OF STORMS WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS AND BOWING SEGMENTS...WITH A CONTINUED RISK FOR A FEW TORNADOES...DAMAGING WINDS...AND LARGE HAIL WELL INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS ACROSS ERN TN...NW GA...AL AND CENTRAL/SRN MS. ...ERN MO/WRN IL INTO SRN IA THIS AFTERNOON... A BROKEN ARC OF THUNDERSTORMS WILL FORM THIS AFTERNOON ALONG THE SURFACE FRONT FROM ERN MO NWD AND NWWD INTO SRN IA...WITH STORMS EXPECTED TO SPREAD INTO W CENTRAL IL DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING. SOME LOW-TOPPED SUPERCELLS WILL BE POSSIBLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH VERY STEEP LAPSE RATES AND MARGINALLY FAVORABLE SHEAR...WHICH WILL SUPPORT A RISK FOR LARGE HAIL/DAMAGING WINDS AND A COUPLE TORNADOES. ...SRN NC/NRN SC THIS AFTERNOON... ISOLATED STRONG/SEVERE STORM DEVELOPMENT WILL BE POSSIBLE ALONG THE STALLED FRONT THIS AFTERNOON...WHERE LOW-MIDLEVEL VERTICAL SHEAR WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR ORGANIZED CLUSTERS. MODERATE INSTABILITY ALONG THE FRONT AND SEA BREEZE WILL SUPPORT A RISK FOR LARGE HAIL/DAMAGING WINDS. ..THOMPSON/EDWARDS.. 04/28/2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gravity waves showing up in W. Illinois. ILX is going to be doing an 18z sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Judging by the mention of a potential high later in the day and the fact that it took 15 extra mins, I am thinking they almost pulled the trigger with this outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natecast Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 No change from moderate, but very strong wording tells me an upgrade to high this afternoon is very possible. "A DISCRETE OR CLUSTER SUPERCELL MODE APPEARS LIKELY...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERAL STRONG AND LONG-TRACK TORNADOES THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING FROM CENTRAL MS NEWD TO NW AL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 i saw this on TWCBreaking twitter feed Malden, Missouri had 8.5" of rain recently Water rescue in Hohenwald, Tennessee PAH radar estimates 13.0" of rain next to Malden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quincy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Once they can pin down exactly where a line of tornadic supercells/possibly long-lived tornadoes will be, then we could see the high risk upgrade. Heading to central MS to get into place now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ILX is going to be doing an 18z sounding.Good, good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Getting cloud cover breaks across Mississippi now. With dewpoints into the 70s, that'll help things quickly destabilize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 PDS watch or regular tor watch? MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0451 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1205 PM CDT MON APR 28 2014 AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS NERN LA...WRN/NRN MS...NWRN AL...SRN MIDDLE TN. CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...TORNADO WATCH LIKELY VALID 281705Z - 281900Z PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...95 PERCENT SUMMARY...TORNADO WATCH IS HIGHLY PROBABLE WITHIN NEXT HOUR ACROSS DISCUSSION AREA. SUPERCELLS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN BKN/SW-NE BAND AND INTENSIFY THROUGH AFTN WITH A FEW SIGNIFICANT/LONG-TRACK TORNADOES POSSIBLE. DISCUSSION...EARLIER CONVECTION HAS LEFT OUTFLOW/DIFFERENTIAL-HEATING BOUNDARY ALIGNED SW-NE ACROSS DISCUSSION AREA...BECOMING MORE DIFFUSE WITH SWWD EXTENT AT SFC. MEANWHILE VIS IMAGERY SHOWS EXPANDING POCKETS OF RELATIVELY CLOUD-FREE AREAS THAT WILL FOSTER SUSTAINED PERIOD OF INSOLATION AND QUICK SBCINH REMOVAL. MODIFIED RAOBS AND FCST SOUNDINGS OVER THIS CORRIDOR SUGGEST 1500-2500 J/KG MLCAPE WILL BUILD NEWD. IN THIS ENVIRONMENT...TSTMS ALREADY ARE DEVELOPING OVER NERN LA INVOF MLU...AND IF NOT ALREADY SFC-BASED...MAY BECOME SO SHORTLY. ADDITIONAL CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO FORM NEWD ACROSS MS INTO SRN MID TN AND NWRN AL AS AIR MASS THERE DESTABILIZES IN NEXT 2-3 HOURS. DEEP-LAYER AND LOW-LEVEL SHEAR EACH ARE FAVORABLE AND WILL REMAIN SO...WITH 50-70 KT EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAGNITUDES. EFFECTIVE SRH SHOULD INCREASE THROUGH AFTN TO AROUND 300 J/KG...AND VWP ALREADY SHOW 300-500 J/KG OF 0-3 KM SRH OVER NERN MS. ..EDWARDS/THOMPSON.. 04/28/2014 ATTN...WFO...OHX...BMX...HUN...MEG...JAN...SHV... http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0451.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Judging by the mention of a potential high later in the day and the fact that it took 15 extra mins, I am thinking they almost pulled the trigger with this outlook. There was some internal discussion (I can only see SPC's chats not the local WFOs responses), but I think the focus was mostly on getting the probabilities right and how to handle the current developing convection over LA. Close, but honestly public awareness should be pretty high given the events of yesterday. They don't necessarily need to go high risk to highlight the threat unless the probabilities are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddyweather Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 PDS watch or regular tor watch? MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0451 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1205 PM CDT MON APR 28 2014 1500-2500 J/KG MLCAPE 50-70 KT EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAGNITUDES. VWP ALREADY SHOW 300-500 J/KG OF 0-3 KM SRH OVER NERN MS. ..EDWARDS/THOMPSON.. 04/28/2014 ATTN...WFO...OHX...BMX...HUN...MEG...JAN...SHV... http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0451.html I think it's looking that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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